Mmo?

[Insuber]

Originally Posted by addman

Not all MMO's are pay-to-play subscription based, in fact most new MMO's coming out these days are using the free-to-play model because of the stiff competition. So don't assume the IL-2 MMO will be subscription based. How many people do you think would pay a monthly fee to play an IL-2 game? x-)

You are right, I oversimplified the description of an MMO.

[addman]

Originally Posted by Insuber

You are right, I oversimplified the description of an MMO.

That's alright, if I were to speculate I'd say it will be free-to-play because that's what War Thunder and World of Warplanes are doing and if you wanna compete against free, you'd better offer free as well. In all scenarios there will probably be premium content though, for example, regular and probably some other ammo will be free to refill but if you want those HE super duper shells that the 109-e4 has then maybe that will be premium to pay. Who knows, we'll know more later this month.

[Insuber]

Originally Posted by addman

That's alright, if I were to speculate I'd say it will be free-to-play because that's what War Thunder and World of Warplanes are doing and if you wanna compete against free, you'd better offer free as well. In all scenarios there will probably be premium content though, for example, regular and probably some other ammo will be free to refill but if you want those HE super duper shells that the 109-e4 has then maybe that will be premium to pay. Who knows, we'll know more later this month.

Horror scenario ... who pays has better gear than who doesn't ... aaaaargh!

[Continu0]

Originally Posted by Insuber

Horror scenario ... who pays has better gear than who doesn't ... aaaaargh!

+1

But that wouldn´t be simulation...

[addman]

Originally Posted by Insuber

Horror scenario ... who pays has better gear than who doesn't ... aaaaargh!

Not necessarily, in WoT you can often see n00bs who have bought premium tanks and they get killed off pretty quickly by the seasoned vets who knows the maps and have better tactics. Same thing translates to real life fighter pilots, the vet will take down the noob even if he has got a better plane most of the times, saying anything else is like discrediting yourself. I mean, after maybe decades of combat flight simming you must've gained some type of valuable experience, right?

[skarden]

yep what addman said, experience counts for a hell of a lot, seen it many many times online with IL-2, vets in older so called crappier planes shredding newer guys in much more modern planes.

As far as the MMO goes to be honest I'd happily pay to play it even if it had 1946 graphics, as long as it was truely a massive map (or couple of maps )and as long as they were well done, like "the Slot" type of quality with hundreds in not thousands of players. I used to play aces high II a bit and while the FM's and graphics were fairly dodgy playing in a server with 500 other players is a hell of a fun experience, truely massive dogfights are a sight to behold and be involved in.

I'll definitely be keepin an eye on this.

[BlackSix]

Nobody will use 1946 engine. Screens from old IL-2 is mistake of journalists.

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by BlackSix

Nobody will use 1946 engine. Screens from old IL-2 is mistake of journalists.

I just asked my magic 8 ball if il2 is going to be an MMO and it replied "Signs point to yes", then I asked if it would be successful... after five attempts these were the replies!

● Don't count on it
● My reply is no
● My sources say no
● Outlook not so good
● Very doubtful

Hmmm

BTW I don't have an 8 Ball, these are just facts gathered from looking at the average MMO.. feel free to tell the marketing guys.

[skarden]

Originally Posted by BlackSix

Nobody will use 1946 engine. Screens from old IL-2 is mistake of journalists.

Na I didn't think that they would more, it was more wishfull thinkin from me then anything, using the older engine would no doubt speed up development quiet a bit, although using the COD engine while taking longer will more then likely increase the people who would be interested that need a certain quality of eye candy. the andvanced FM and damage models will hell a hell of a lot too i bet.

Either way it definitely sounds like something I'd bloody love

[Insuber]

Originally Posted by addman

Not necessarily, in WoT you can often see n00bs who have bought premium tanks and they get killed off pretty quickly by the seasoned vets who knows the maps and have better tactics. Same thing translates to real life fighter pilots, the vet will take down the noob even if he has got a better plane most of the times, saying anything else is like discrediting yourself. I mean, after maybe decades of combat flight simming you must've gained some type of valuable experience, right?

All things equal ... of course. I didn't consider the sub-cases. In average, who pays more would have more advantages than people who cannot afford it. Imagine a Mr. X with a super-cannon and unlimited ammo and fuel parked above Folkestone. Game over for the reds ...