Throwing some light on rates of turn

[6S.Manu]

Originally Posted by pstyle

NOT possible?

Are you saying that he was a bad pilot for being able to turn with me?
I know it might be a bad tactical mistake (trying to turn with a spit) but that assumes the 109 cannot match the turn. This 109 did match the turn. And, of course, he had enough power to get away afterwards....

Running cicles at sea level is going to kill the pilot soon or later, of course depending on the territory over which he's flying.

Now if the 109 was over his own territory, then ok, he can try to turn with the Spit (but then I ask why the Spit was in that awful position), otherwise it's a suicidal tactic.

IIRC Mr.X has a great K/D ratio, that mean he is not going to do those mistakes.

[pstyle]

Originally Posted by 6S.Manu

Running cicles at sea level is going to kill the pilot soon or later, of course depending on the territory over which he's flying.

Now if the 109 was over his own territory, then ok, he can try to turn with the Spit (but then I ask why the Spit was in that awful position), otherwise it's a suicidal tactic.

IIRC Mr.X has a great K/D ratio, that mean he is not going to do those mistakes.

OK, I see what you're saying. Has anyone actually ever shot MRX down?

I'd still like to know how this person got the 109 to turn like that though... first time I've ever seen one keep up in the turn.

[drewpee]

The only way you can make any sort of assessment on ac characteristics is to fly both with similar skill. I do fly both but am a better 109 pilot than spit/hurry. After the patch its harder to get a kill, red and blue. If you can get hits on a 109 in a extended dog fight that end low the spit will get the kill when the 109 stalls and hits the deck.
It's so dangerous to turn in the 109 now with it's new stall habits. Once in a stall it takes a hell of a lot of hight to recover (like five times more than before). After flying blue with limited success switched to red when they were out numbered. I felt sorry for the 109 pilots as all you have to do when he gets you in range is turn and he just can't. If he slows to match your turn he is as good as dead. Either he'll stall to the ground or you'll out turn him in just 1 turn and be on his 6.
As I said this is what I have found and there is always exceptions.

[pstyle]

Originally Posted by drewpee

I felt sorry for the 109 pilots as all you have to do when he gets you in range is turn and he just can't. If he slows to match your turn he is as good as dead. Either he'll stall to the ground or you'll out turn him in just 1 turn and be on his 6.
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This is exactly my thoughts since the patch... Until this encounter on the weekend. I was looking over my shoulder thinking, there is no way he should be able to stay with me. Yet he did... that's why I'm not convinced any more by arguments about the 109 being such a bad turner.

[drewpee]

Dumb question I know but are you positive it was a 109? If it was you were unlucky because the vast majority of 109 pilots just couldn't turn with you now after the patch. Maybe if he had flaps extended but he would not then be able to keep up (at the moment with patch)

[drewpee]

pstyle I urge you to go on line and fly a 109 and you will honestly see for your self.

[pstyle]

Originally Posted by drewpee

Dumb question I know but are you positive it was a 109? If it was you were unlucky because the vast majority of 109 pilots just couldn't turn with you now after the patch. Maybe if he had flaps extended but he would not then be able to keep up (at the moment with patch)

not a dumb question at all - it pays to be correct about details like that.
It was a 109. I'm 100% on that
I was on ATAG server, and he was yellownose, crosses on the wings and shooting at me, from about 100-150m back. I had a pretty good view.

I can understand the incredulity. You should have heard me swearing on comms! I was dumbfounded (and cussing a lot) that he could stay with me... my poor squad mates were getting an earful!

Originally Posted by drewpee

pstyle I urge you to go on line and fly a 109 and you will honestly see for your self.

I've flown the 109 I can never get it to do what this guy was doing..... And flown against them plenty enough times to know what they can do (and I've watched them stall out, overshoot etc...)

[pstyle]

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[enriquegastelo]

So interesting, really like it