4-12 wish list (Merged)

[=FPS=Salsero]

Originally Posted by Luno13

2: Sure, it could carry 2 Fab-250s, but did it do it in combat? The Sm.79 could carry 2 torps, but never did except for ferry missions....

There are quotes in Russian claiming it did so, during the Korean campaign.
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/aww2/il10.html

Originally Posted by Luno13

It would be great to see some proper incendiaries too.

BTW There was such thing like ZAB-250-200: metal casing (same as FAB-250), 48 kg of kerosene and 8 kg of rags, with 4 kgs of TNT explosive charge, producing a flame cloud with the diameter from 15 to 20m, using the APUV family fuze. Bomb full weight was 200 kg.

[Luno13]

Originally Posted by =FPS=Salsero

There are quotes in Russian claiming it did so, during the Korean campaign.
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/aww2/il10.html

BTW There was such thing like ZAB-250-200: metal casing (same as FAB-250), 48 kg of kerosene and 8 kg of rags, with 4 kgs of TNT explosive charge, producing a flame cloud with the diameter from 15 to 20m, using the APUV family fuze. Bomb full weight was 200 kg.

The Korean war Il-10 was a different "beast". Larger area wings with square-cut tips, ventral tail fin, longer fuselage, and 4x NR-23 cannons (Il-10M).

B-33s, produced under license in Czechoslovakia, could carry 400L fuel tanks too.

From the url:

Composition of experimental weapons of IL-10 AM-42 included: two guns VYa-23 (300 rounds), two machine guns ShKAS (1500 rounds), a mobile defensive unit VU-7 with a gun W-20 DB-15 to IEC 150 ammunition rounds, four RO-82, 10 aviagranat AH-2 and the normal bomb load of 400 kg (600 kg into overdrive).

In the attack aircraft provided for the installation of 4 beams (two on each console) for the three types of rockets: RS-132, ROFS-132 and RS-82. In addition, it was possible suspension himpriborov UHAP-250 (for external bomb racks). Rockets and himpribory suspended due to bomb load:

Fragmentation and incendiary bombs caliber from 1 to 25 kg, inclusive, and AF-2 ampoules were loaded into two bomb bay (instead of 4 on the IL-2) formed by the walls of the center section ribs on both sides of the aircraft hull, as in the bunker.

Unlike conventional fission bombs PTAB-2 ,5-1, 5, were placed in the bomb bay warhead ago. This was done to ensure that as long as possible to keep the safety device on a bomb on a roll it out of the compartment. The bombs were placed along the bay in three rows. Between the rows of attached septum.

In the bomb bay and L-10 during normal bomb load was placed:

144 PTAB-2 ,5-1, 5 - 230 kg,
136 SA-2, 5, SC (Steel cast iron) - 400 kg,
82 SA-2 ,5-2 (from 45-mm projectile) - 400 kg,
56 AO-8M4 (short) - 400 kg,
40 bombs, such as AO-10 SC (Steel cast iron) - 392 kg.

As the plane accelerated version could take 2 FAB-250 - 500 kg,
176 SA-2, 5s.ch. -520 Kg,
200 SA-2 ,5-2 (from 45-mm projectile) - 440 kg,
80 AO-8M4 (short) - 570 kg,
80 bombs, such as AO-10-6, 5 bis - 552 kg.

The maximum bomb load of 600 kg was achieved by suspension of 2 HAB-250-200 and 2-HUB-100.

Chemical vials AF-2 (125 mm, weight 1.5 kg) attack could take 166 units in both compartments, which provided the load of 250 kg.

At the locks DZ-42, located on a center-ribs, hung bombs caliber from 100 to 250 kg.

They also hung Spetspribor smoke screens. Bombs from 50 to 250 kg lifted from an airplane wing with a winch BL-4.

Suspension 4-RS-82 increased the weight of the payload of 28 kg, and 4 RS-132 - 92 kg.

So again, the 2x FAB-250s is an overload condition. I can't find any info to state whether it was carried into battle in 1944 and '45. Korean war, sure. It's interesting to note the wide variety of ordinance carried, so it would be nice to see these implemented.

[=FPS=Salsero]

Originally Posted by Luno13

The Korean war Il-10 was a different "beast". Larger area wings with square-cut tips, ventral tail fin, longer fuselage, and 4x NR-23 cannons (Il-10M).

Korean campaign(1945) not equals to Korean war(1950).

Here is a part of the text related to the subject from the airwar.ru, loosely (but correctly) translated by me.

Before the beginning of war with Japan the program of sevrvice training on Il-10 was completed by 26-th ShAP of 12-th ShAD of Pacific Fleet Air Force ( ВВС ТОФ). It was the single attack regiment .... equipped with the new attack planes. There were 35 planes in it on 09 Aug 1945.

At 10.25-10.45 23 planes of 26th ShAP escorted by 31 Yak-9 from 14th IAP attacked ships in the Rasin seaport. Three groups of Il-10s, 6 planes in each attacked japanese ships using the shallow dive aiming to suppress the AA guns on the ships and on the moorings. In three minutes after these the tranport ships in the harbour was attacked at topmast level by the fourth group led by regiment commander mayor A Nikolayev. The bomb load for the top mast attack was 2 FAB-250.

So, FAB-250 were used in 1945 on normal Il-10s, not Il-10M. Again, I would like to see incendiary ZAB-250-200, which were 200 kg's only each, thus completely within ordnance weight limits.

Again, I would dearly like to see the ENTIRE Il-2 line carrying the maximum load of FAB-100+RS-132/M-13 , not FAB-100+BRS-132 - that is, high explosives, not antitank config,
BTW, BRS-132 were much more rare thing than RS-132, AFAIK.

[hafu1939]

95. Ability to tow gliders for Ju 52 and Ju 87.
96. 900 l drop-tanks for Bf 110 and Do 217.
And thank for all your efforts, DT

[Wolkenbeisser]

+1 for the following (in my eyes most important) things:

- P-40 late models: corrected dihedral angle (looks ugly now)
- Multicrew dogfights

also cool would be:

Ability to drop cargoboxes like C-47 (if there is a player plane that can carry them). It would make missions much more interesting, if there is one who tries to hide during the flight, because he has to drop cargo somewhere. Others would have to protect him. He has to rely on them (and sweat, and pray).

A solid Nose B-25 maybe