Spitfire : CloD vs A2A

[|450|Devil]

Wolverine said it perfectly

[ParaB]

@Chivas: Oh, I would prefer that, too. But I take what I get.

[ATAG_Snapper]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Doc

How much does all the bells and whistles cost?

Doc, it can cost a freaking TON -- which Dutch warned me about. First you have to have Microsoft Simulator FSX: $40.98 Amazon.ca

The basic A2A Wings of Power 3 Spitfire: $29.99
A2A Accusim bundled in: +$19.99

Then there's Real Extreme Environment $ more
Then there's Ground Environment X $ more
Oh, add in some NASA-approved Canadian scenery: $ more
Oh, better get some Canadian Ultimate Traffic X $ more
Hmmm, how about that X-Rated Spitgirl? $$$$$ more
Prefer blonde (natural) add-on to that? $ more
And a friend? $$$ more

You get the picture...

[nearmiss]

Originally Posted by Charly_Owl

Hi folks,

I thought I'd start a little discussion about comparing different games trying to represent the same aircraft. If this topic is inappropriate or in the wrong forum, feel free to delete it. I'm not trying to start a flame war or trying to prove if a game is better than another one. Just here to discuss about people's opinions of what each game does best, considering all aspects of the sim and aircraft.

A2A Sim:

CloD:

Which sim do you think better represents the Spitfire? For the engine sound, I don't know why, but I prefer the A2A sound. Graphics-wise, my vote would go for CloD.

What do you guys think? Do you have any experience to provide information about which flight model seems the most realistic?

Your first video is from A2A spitfire, a flight sim aircraft.

The second is from COD, a air combat aircraft.

Who wants to fly around with no navs over abunch of boring flat land.

Yes, there are plenty of excellent aircraft availabe for use in flight sims, but nothing comparable for air combat sims with COD.

[ElAurens]

Originally Posted by bw_wolverine

A2A Spitfire wins on FM, cockpits, audio (cockpit sounds & engine & gear rolling, etc.. pretty much everything).

CloD wins only in those areas that it does and A2A doesn't attempt (weapons and damage model).

I don't consider the terrain as part of the argument since that doesn't necessarily reflect the Spitfire as a modelled aircraft (though I do feel that CloD's landscape is better in its default setting).

I'd love to have the A2A Spitfire's level of cockpit detail and instrument functionality in CloD. That would be an AMAZING simulation of air combat.

Has there ever been an air combat sim where you had to manipulate the oxygen mixture to make sure you didn't pass out at altitude? The cockpit vent so the canopy didn't fog? It would give us a true sense of the workload.

But would it be fun?

Something tells me that it would not.

[ATAG_Doc]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Snapper

Doc, it can cost a freaking TON -- which Dutch warned me about. First you have to have Microsoft Simulator FSX: $40.98 Amazon.ca

The basic A2A Wings of Power 3 Spitfire: $29.99
A2A Accusim bundled in: +$19.99

Then there's Real Extreme Environment $ more
Then there's Ground Environment X $ more
Oh, add in some NASA-approved Canadian scenery: $ more
Oh, better get some Canadian Ultimate Traffic X $ more
Hmmm, how about that X-Rated Spitgirl? $$$$$ more
Prefer blonde (natural) add-on to that? $ more
And a friend? $$$ more

You get the picture...

Coop? Su-26? For the price you should get all that and more right?

[fruitbat]

wonder if it has 100 octane fuel......

[danjama]

As a recent buyer of the A2A Spitfire and Warhawk, I can confirm that they are extremely fun and interesting to fly - and I mean that with all sincerity. If you have any interest in these warbirds, (im guessing we all do here) you have to give them a go.

That said, it's quite a lot of money to outlay. But if you already have FSX, just buy the a2a/accusim product you want, install the freeware airports that most interest you, and you're good to go.

p.s. anybody know why i keep setting my P-40 engine on fire?

[ATAG_Snapper]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Doc

Coop? Su-26? For the price you should get all that and more right?

Absolutely! But you don't.

I think the point you're making, quite effectively, is that we're already getting a huge bang-for-the-lousy-50-bucks with Cliffs of Dover, even without a coop GUI or Su26. If so, I couldn't agree more.

I like A2A strictly for the educational value. I've been a Spitfire freak since I first read Al Deere's "Nine Lives" back in '63 -- so the A2A study sim is heaven-sent for me personally. I just wish I could shoot stuff.

Which brings me to Cliffs of Dover. What the devs have accomplished is absolutely amazing, even in its incomplete and boogered form. It was an easy transition from the CoD cockpit to the much-greater detailed A2A Spit's cockpit. Flying CEM in CoD, especially in online combat, gives you a good background in the relationships between throttle settings (boost) and propellor pitch (rpms), plus all the temps, pressures, trim settings, etc etc etc. It's easier to break a Merlin in A2A's version, but the CoD's CEM workload under combat pressure prepares anyone for the more finicky A2A Merlins. The A2A documentation (along with the Accusim docs) are excellent bar none.

The only switch, lever, or control that doesn't work AFAIK in the A2A Spitfire is the seat height adjustment (oops - not counting the gun button.....minor detail LOL).

But if you're NOT a Spitfire freak of some description, the CoD Spitfire is plenty fine in many respects. In fact, it's plenty fine if you ARE a Spitfire freak. And it shoots stuff!

[ATAG_Snapper]

Originally Posted by fruitbat

wonder if it has 100 octane fuel......

Fair question, Fruitbat. You can choose: 87 or 100 octane.