No coop in this game?

[mxmadman]

Well since we're most likely all in this thread because we want to run a coop: who wants to arrange something? I'd definitely be up for some AI killing with others.

We just need someone to do all the work of creating a map, finding a server, gathering the people through advertisement, organize a date and time, and run the event so that eveyone is where they should be.

Sounds easy enough! I nominate Chivas.

[41Sqn_Banks]

Originally Posted by Chivas

I just not sure what it is they can't do. I know their are problems, but I'm just trying to understand what they all are.

By saying "no it's not possible, go away" they mean: The main problem is that clients can't select an aircraft that is more than 20km away because of a bug. This makes aircraft selection on Channel map a bit difficult (i.e. it requires a workaround by adding a custom menu, which is unfortunatly also bugged, which requires yet another workaround ).

Then there are some minor issues like the mission is already in progress when aircraft can be selected, there is no briefing, there is no debriefing, ... which can all be handled by workarounds.

[furbs]

Originally Posted by 41Sqn_Banks

By saying "no it's not possible, go away" they mean: The main problem is that clients can't select an aircraft that is more than 20km away because of a bug. This makes aircraft selection on Channel map a bit difficult (i.e. it requires a workaround by adding a custom menu, which is unfortunatly also bugged, which requires yet another workaround ).

Then there are some minor issues like the mission is already in progress when aircraft can be selected, there is no briefing, there is no debriefing, ... which can all be handled by workarounds.

Or they fix it.

[Chivas]

Originally Posted by 41Sqn_Banks

By saying "no it's not possible, go away" they mean: The main problem is that clients can't select an aircraft that is more than 20km away because of a bug. This makes aircraft selection on Channel map a bit difficult (i.e. it requires a workaround by adding a custom menu, which is unfortunatly also bugged, which requires yet another workaround ).

Then there are some minor issues like the mission is already in progress when aircraft can be selected, there is no briefing, there is no debriefing, ... which can all be handled by workarounds.

Thanks Banks, so its possible to do alot of the things the original IL-2 Coops did, but some aspects require extra work, or some aspects arn't possible yet because of bugs. My guess is Coops wouldn't have become popular anyway until the performance patch is released.

I seen no reason why the developer won't fix the bugs and change the GUI to allow the user easier access to Coop type game play. It should become a higher priority, especially now that it appears the critical performance patch is getting closer to release.

Originally Posted by Chivas

I never said that Coops work fine, and never said that I don't want the option to make Coop missions easier. Squad members here are saying they aren't flying because they can't practise, and I was asking why they can't practice a number of scenarios now, until the GUI is tweaked/changed/fixed/added for easy COOP use.

I asked a number of questions, but all I get back is a blanket No they can't. I don't know if they can't start a server, or can't load the mission, or can't start the mission, or can't select an aircraft.

All I know is that I just started COD, selected Multiplayer, selected Server, selected a Mission, selected an Aircraft, and Started flying.

I know it should be possible to build a number of missions that would satisfy Squad practice, from plane vs plane to ground attack missions. I also know I could setup a number of scenarios in the same mission.

Is it that other squad members are having problems joining the server?
I know you can start the mission so everyone starts at the same time, even airstarts.
I know squads have enough discipline to not rejoin after they've been shot down.
I know you can fly against AI.

I just not sure what it is they can't do. I know their are problems, but I'm just trying to understand what they all are.

Chivas, re read the whole thread you will see what the problems are, its all very very clear.

[Dano]

Originally Posted by von Pilsner

How this thread appears to me:

THIS THREAD: WE would like coop to work different / better...

DANO / CHIVAS: They work fine.

THIS THREAD: Really? show us, make a coop and show us how to play in coop mode...

DANO: Playing on dogfight server is COOP!
CHIVAS: I don't really play COOP...

Why are you guys who don't seem to play COOP so against more options for COOPs???? Or is it cause it's furbs and Tree and you thought you were somehow defending the game? (they do want a better game, they really aren't just here to bash on CloD).

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

It seems they are defending the game mate, not one of them will even take up the challenge of trying to host or make a COOP mission, which in truth says it all.

Utter crap, try re-reading would be my advice.

[furbs]

Originally Posted by Chivas

I don't fly Coops, that why my post was phrased with questions not answers.

That's perfect Chivas, now imagine your a new user to CLOD but a long term user of IL2, you used to make and fly COOP's with a couple of friends for years and had loads of fun.

So go ahead and try to make a COOP and i will pretend im your friend and then join Tree and myself on TS and we will try and have some fun.

Once you have tried that then you will understand where we are coming from.

Dano, same to you.

[JG5_emil]

How anyone can speak against this request is utterly beyond me.

I have no interest in offline play apart to get a quick kill fix when I am too busy to fly, I have little interest in AI and many other things but I fully support those who feel they need such fixes in order to enjoy their own method of play.

The way COOP worked in IL2 was perfect especially for online wars or squad versus squad battles. I feel it is vital to CLOD to have this implemented.

What has been done by some of the server guys (i.e. ATAG) is great work but it is not a CO-OP.

Even when the patch comes I will probably fire the game up for a week or two but it wont be long before it gets shelved again. Like me many others simply don't get the same enjoyment from a dogfight server as they do from a COOP.

[HR_Naglfar]

Originally Posted by JG5_emil

How anyone can speak against this request is utterly beyond me.

I have no interest in offline play apart to get a quick kill fix when I am too busy to fly, I have little interest in AI and many other things but I fully support those who feel they need such fixes in order to enjoy their own method of play.

The way COOP worked in IL2 was perfect especially for online wars or squad versus squad battles. I feel it is vital to CLOD to have this implemented.

What has been done by some of the server guys (i.e. ATAG) is great work but it is not a CO-OP.

Even when the patch comes I will probably fire the game up for a week or two but it wont be long before it gets shelved again. Like me many others simply don't get the same enjoyment from a dogfight server as they do from a COOP.

Well I'm not against this request. Although I think the old coop system is not needed, if they add it it's ok.

But arguments like "the old coop system was perfect for online wars" or "without the old coop system there will be no online wars" are simply false. The new system is way better for a realistic online war than the old coop system. So please stop lying to people just to defend an outdated game mode.

Also, right now is perfectly possible to play a coop style mission. Just design the mission like a coop, and fly it like a coop. The GUI is different, yeah, so what?

The only thing you can't do with the current system is start everybody in the air at the same time, every other coop feature is possible right now.

So I don't know, may be the solution could be the ability for the host to start the mission paused and unpause it when everybody is ready, like in DCS. No need of getting the whole old system back.

[KG26_Alpha]

Originally Posted by HR_Naglfar

Also, right now is perfectly possible to play a coop style mission. Just design the mission like a coop, and fly it like a coop. The GUI is different, yeah, so what?

The only thing you can't do with the current system is start everybody in the air at the same time, every other coop feature is possible right now.

1. The GUI is the whole point of the problem for scoring and mission status at the end so pilot's can see what they achieved.



2. Except on the main Cliffs of Dover selling point Channel Map, CooP's dont work.


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