Friday Update, April 6, 2012

[bw_wolverine]

Originally Posted by 6S.Manu

WOW... The bar is really low...

I'm going to play seriously until the FMs are fixed.

At this point? Yes. The bar is that low. There's plenty of fun to be had with the game as is, but ONLY if the game doesn't crash.

[Frequent_Flyer]

I beleive what is unaccounted for on these forums is the " silent majority". I read the update thread twice a month maybe, less as time goes on.As a cosumer I view this this sim as" competing" for my entertainment dollars. There is little entertainment value in the on-line experience that crashes constantly , off line is not much better with the constant freezes. I would venture a guess that the majority of would be consumers do not even post, they just move on to other interests or forms of entertainment.
The current state of this sim combined with the choice for the next (BOM) installment has left most folks i converse with looking for other aerial combat sims.
The graphics and damage model are light years ahead of IL-2 1946, but so are some of the other flight sims on the market. As for the potential, actions always speak louder than words.

[F19_Klunk]

Originally Posted by Frequent_Flyer

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The current state of this sim combined with the choice for the next (BOM) installment has left most folks i converse with looking for other aerial combat sims.
The graphics and damage model are light years ahead of IL-2 1946, but so are some of the other flight sims on the market. As for the potential, actions always speak louder than words.

Maybe You are right, but it seems to me that the Russian market is, and always has been Maddox Games' most important market, thus the choice of next theatre (if we ever end up there) is both obvious and economically sound.

I do agree though with your final point; "... actions always speak louder than words." So True, and unfortunately we have mostly seen words....

[Frequent_Flyer]

Originally Posted by F19_Klunk

Maybe You are right, but it seems to me that the Russian market is, and always has been Maddox Games' most important market, thus the choice of next theatre (if we ever end up there) is both obvious and economically sound.

I would agree the Russian market is an important one,however i think the western market place is much larger. I think they would capture more evenue with Med. theater sim. Although the state of the sim would dictate the simple Eastern front vs a much more complex and diverse PTO.

[bw_wolverine]

After tonight's group flying, I will again say that the crashes are definitely the MAJOR issue with regard to my enjoyment of the game.

Everything else, at this point, is gravy and good will towards customers.

Tonight could have been much much better save for the launcher.exe crashes.

Originally Posted by Frequent_Flyer

I beleive what is unaccounted for on these forums is the " silent majority". I read the update thread twice a month maybe, less as time goes on.As a cosumer I view this this sim as" competing" for my entertainment dollars. There is little entertainment value in the on-line experience that crashes constantly , off line is not much better with the constant freezes. I would venture a guess that the majority of would be consumers do not even post, they just move on to other interests or forms of entertainment.
The current state of this sim combined with the choice for the next (BOM) installment has left most folks i converse with looking for other aerial combat sims.
The graphics and damage model are light years ahead of IL-2 1946, but so are some of the other flight sims on the market. As for the potential, actions always speak louder than words.

The silent majority aren't so silent, they just post here because this forum is just too horrible for words. Go look other places and you'll see a lot of flight sim communities. At this point the CloD community outside of this forum consists of making fun of how terrible CloD is and laughing at how so many of you banana forums people sing and dance and clap and act like the dev team just handed you a puppy and a bag of coke when they show you a picture of a beautifully rendered fence post. Meanwhile, the game sits in this broken, unfun state over a year after launch.

IL-2 is basically the Duke Nukem Forever of flight sims. We waited years for an IL-2 sequel and got something laughable. The only difference is nobody is still defending DNF over a year after launch.

[Wolf_Rider]

I guess you're just helping to make it (in your words) horrible then...

[klem]

Originally Posted by EvilJoven

The silent majority aren't so silent, they just post here because this forum is just too horrible for words. Go look other places and you'll see a lot of flight sim communities. At this point the CloD community outside of this forum consists of making fun of how terrible CloD is and laughing at how so many of you banana forums people sing and dance and clap and act like the dev team just handed you a puppy and a bag of coke when they show you a picture of a beautifully rendered fence post. Meanwhile, the game sits in this broken, unfun state over a year after launch.

IL-2 is basically the Duke Nukem Forever of flight sims. We waited years for an IL-2 sequel and got something laughable. The only difference is nobody is still defending DNF over a year after launch.

The acid test for me is simply this: while TD's IL-2 1946 4.11 is a huge improvement on the IL-2 1946 left us by 1C/Maddox Games I still find myself preferring to fly CoD. It just feels better, even with the stunted FMs. Now, why is that if CoD is "so terrible"?

Take away all the incidental stuff like the GUI which doesn't affect the actual flying, fly on line (I know that's not a preference for some), take the excellent support of the community servers like ATAG, live with the FMs for now because a Rotol Hurricane gives me a fighting chance against the 109s and restart the game each sortie. Not perfect by a very long country mile but I still prefer it to IL-2 '46. No, it isn't the BoB yet but its very enjoyable.

[5./JG27.Farber]

Originally Posted by bw_wolverine

After tonight's group flying, I will again say that the crashes are definitely the MAJOR issue with regard to my enjoyment of the game.

Everything else, at this point, is gravy and good will towards customers.

Tonight could have been much much better save for the launcher.exe crashes.

Agreed.

Originally Posted by klem

Take away all the incidental stuff like the GUI which doesn't affect the actual flying, fly on line (I know that's not a preference for some), take the excellent support of the community servers like ATAG, live with the FMs for now because a Rotol Hurricane gives me a fighting chance against the 109s and restart the game each sortie. Not perfect by a very long country mile but I still prefer it to IL-2 '46. No, it isn't the BoB yet but its very enjoyable.

Yep. I cant even play 1946 anymore.

Originally Posted by EvilJoven

The silent majority aren't so silent, they just don't post here because this forum is just too horrible for words. Go look at other places and you'll see a lot of flight sim communities. At this point the CloD community outside of this forum consists of making fun of how terrible CloD is and laughing at how so many of you banana forums people sing and dance and clap and act like the dev team just handed you a puppy and a bag of coke when they show you a picture of a beautifully rendered fence post. Meanwhile, the game sits in this broken, unfun state over a year after launch.

IL-2 is basically the Duke Nukem Forever of flight sims. We waited years for an IL-2 sequel and got something laughable. The only difference is nobody is still defending DNF over a year after launch.

I'm a member on a forum with 160,000+ members, and there is an ongoing CLOD thread. The typical discussions are... (in order of most coverage).

1. "What's wrong with the people on the banana forums?"
2. "Did you see what they asked for? Who would even care about that in a flight sim?"
3. What are the Dev's thinking? Do they think the 1C forums represent the majority of fans?
4. When are they going to add some content, make CO-OP creation easier, etc?
5. WHAT!?! Battle of Moscow? Are they ever going to finish Cliffs of Dover (the game content, not the engine).

Every time someone new posts in that thread asking, "Hey, should I pick up CLOD?" They invariable end up getting DSC-A10, or Rise of Flight, or one of the other flight sims out there. I think that Cliffs of Dover is great for the flight sim Genre because so many people either get fed up with it, or are told not to buy it that they end up getting a different game instead.

And it's not like that thread is full of arcade players. There are actual real pilots, people who do vatsim in FSX, and people who can start up the Blackshark or A-10 without having to once refer to any manual. They all agree, CLOD is not fun as is, and it has nothing to do with crashes or FPS.

Then again they're not the kind of people to "scream like a little girl" when they see the window framss in the new buildings.