The Crystal Ball 2

[Chivas]

Originally Posted by Peaveywolf

Can someone explain what "IL-2 in the real engine" means please. Thx

The development has been rebuilding the game engine, atleast the graphic portion, which was causing the main performance issues. The screenshots of the IL-2 for BOM were probably taken on one of the builds of the performance/graphics patch. All the sequels will be built on the same game engine, any fixes too the graphics, AI, COMMANDS, FM, DM, Weather, will apply to all sequels including COD. The "real engine" probably refers to one of the recent game engine performance/graphics rewrites/builds.

[mxmadman]

Originally Posted by Chivas

The development has been rebuilding the game engine, atleast the graphic portion, which was causing the main performance issues. The screenshots of the IL-2 for BOM were probably taken on one of the builds of the performance/graphics patch. All the sequels will be built on the same game engine, any fixes too the graphics, AI, COMMANDS, FM, DM, Weather, will apply to all sequels including COD. The "real engine" probably refers to one of the recent game engine performance/graphics rewrites/builds.

What's wrong with you Chivas, don't you know this thread isn't for talking about the game!?

At any rate, when I peer into my Crystal Ball, I see one problem. They keep referring to BoM as a sequel, which to me means they're going to charge full game price.

If bom includes only new models and a new map, this is in fact not a sequel but an expansion. Charging $50 for models and a map is exactly what Call of Duty does, and I don't like the sound of that. Has there been any previous facts given on this by 1C?

[Chivas]

Originally Posted by mxmadman

What's wrong with you Chivas, don't you know this thread isn't for talking about the game!?

At any rate, when I peer into my Crystal Ball, I see one problem. They keep referring to BoM as a sequel, which to me means they're going to charge full game price.

If bom includes only new models and a new map, this is in fact not a sequel but an expansion. Charging $50 for models and a map is exactly what Call of Duty does, and I don't like the sound of that. Has there been any previous facts given on this by 1C?

I don't really care what the developers call them. The developers have long planned to add theaters the same way as the past IL-2 series. Each theater can be standalone or merged with the previous theaters. So that any new improvements and feature options can be applied to all theaters when merged. Its a sound business plan. For your 50 dollars you'll get new maps, aircraft, buildings, objects, and new features. The game engine was designed to be relatively future proof, so they could keep adding features and theaters for atleast ten years, as they did in the first series. Some would say the game engine is old already, I would suggest the game engine isn't even finished yet.

[mxmadman]

Originally Posted by Chivas

I don't really care what the developers call them. The developers have long planned to add theaters the same way as the past IL-2 series. Each theater can be standalone or merged with the previous theaters. So that any new improvements and feature options can be applied to all theaters when merged. Its a sound business plan. For your 50 dollars you'll get new maps, aircraft, buildings, objects, and new features. The game engine was designed to be relatively future proof, so they could keep adding features and theaters for atleast ten years, as they did in the first series. Some would say the game engine is old already, I would suggest the game engine isn't even finished yet.

Hmm.. well if they do intend to charge $50, we can pretty much not expect a SDK until they've moved on to another product, as models and maps are the easiest thing for modders to make. I will, personally, not be paying $50 as I don't support the Call of Duty business model. If they add major changes to the engine or something that takes more than just extra art and FM to match I would be willing to reconsider.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by mxmadman

Hmm.. well if they do intend to charge $50, we can pretty much not expect a SDK until they've moved on to another product, as models and maps are the easiest thing for modders to make. I will, personally, not be paying $50 as I don't support the Call of Duty business model. If they add major changes to the engine or something that takes more than just extra art and FM to match I would be willing to reconsider.

Look at the development history of IL2. There is all you need to know about their business model.

[robtek]

Paying 50$ for a sequel / add-on / expansion / stand alone / whatever is really dirt cheap regarding what one is getting for that money.

Everybody has seen now the quality of the models and the landscape, compare that to any other Flight-sim and then compare the pricing!

[Luftwaffepilot]

Originally Posted by robtek

Paying 50$ for a sequel / add-on / expansion / stand alone / whatever is really dirt cheap regarding what one is getting for that money.

Everybody has seen now the quality of the models and the landscape, compare that to any other Flight-sim and then compare the pricing!

Not to mention the Bugs, the CTDs, the poor performance...

[Force10]

Originally Posted by robtek

Paying 50$ for a sequel / add-on / expansion / stand alone / whatever is really dirt cheap regarding what one is getting for that money.

Everybody has seen now the quality of the models and the landscape, compare that to any other Flight-sim and then compare the pricing!

I'm still waiting to see what I'm getting for the $50 dollars I paid for COD. It hasn't been worth it yet IMO. Models and landscape are great but I'm hoping they have some sort immersion as a pilot.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by robtek

Paying 50$ for a sequel / add-on / expansion / stand alone / whatever is really dirt cheap regarding what one is getting for that money.

Everybody has seen now the quality of the models and the landscape, compare that to any other Flight-sim and then compare the pricing!

Agreed 100%

Oh sure..

A min wage starbucks barista with three kids to feed might not think so..

But than again a min wage starbucks barista with three kids to feed shouldn't be spending money on a high end PC to play games in the first place.. Let alone any $50 game

[Chivas]

Originally Posted by mxmadman

Hmm.. well if they do intend to charge $50, we can pretty much not expect a SDK until they've moved on to another product, as models and maps are the easiest thing for modders to make. I will, personally, not be paying $50 as I don't support the Call of Duty business model. If they add major changes to the engine or something that takes more than just extra art and FM to match I would be willing to reconsider.

I have no idea when the SDK will come out, but thats what the developer has plans to do. Apparently the SDK will only allow modders to build small maps and that will leave the large theater maps for the developer. The business model has changed somewhat to allow modders instead of deterring them. They were hoping to attract the large FSX type community players and modders, that will certainly help the bottom line. Nothing says you can't have servers with unarmed aircraft using the future features and maps of the new IL-2 series. Hopefully the SDK will allow modders to improve the large development maps, not build them but improve them.