The Crystal Ball 2

[OB1]

Originally Posted by priller26

Trying to remain upbeat and not bow to the naysayers, but..the thought had raced through my mind for a minute, what if they really can't fix the graphics engine? Someone reassure me please

Your fears are justified. If they cant even fix this memory leak that is quickly destroying this community, there is no hope..

[d.burnette]

Originally Posted by OB1

Your fears are justified. If they cant even fix this memory leak that is quickly destroying this community, there is no hope..

Just curious as I am a new Cliffs of Dover owner and while it is installed have not even played it yet as I am trying to read up and gain as much knowledge as I can.
This memory leak issue that I keep seeing discussed, apparently is a huge problem - is this issue fixed in the upcoming patch everyone is anxiously awaiting for?

[ATAG_Snapper]

Originally Posted by d.burnette

Just curious as I am a new Cliffs of Dover owner and while it is installed have not even played it yet as I am trying to read up and gain as much knowledge as I can.
This memory leak issue that I keep seeing discussed, apparently is a huge problem - is this issue fixed in the upcoming patch everyone is anxiously awaiting for?

Hi Don,

The Crash to Desktop (CTD) memory leak (also known as a launcher.exe error) is a huge problem for those flying online; it doesn't seem to occur when flying offline (someone correct me here if I'm wrong on this).

As its name implies, it is characterized by a sudden onset of a drop in framerate and/or stuttering, quickly followed by an outright crash back to your desktop. Sometimes a screenfreeze will result requiring a CTL ALT DEL exit to Task Manager to quit the program, or even a hard reboot if your PC doesn't respond to anything! Definitely a show stopper!

For most the CTD can occur anywhere from 20 to 45 minutes into online gameplay; sometimes sooner, sometimes never. For myself and others, it seems to occur during moments of intense action -- especially in low level dogfights over terrain. Bomber pilots have reported CTD's when flying multi engine aircraft in formation for extended periods -- effectively killing the mission for them.

What to do? Reports vary from nothing can be done to fairly successful work arounds (which are a bit of a nuisance until a fix can be found).

Work around 1: After each sortie/mission exit CoD completely, then relaunch it. On ATAG's Teamspeak Server there is a one-mouse click .bat link which relaunches CoD directly back to the ATAG Server, greatly speeding up the process since you don't have to navigate through all the intro GUI's. Still a nuisance, though.

Work around 2: Before each online session delete the entire Cache folder (C:\Your Documents\1C Softclub\IL2 Sturmovik\Cache) (including the Shaders subfolder within). A new Cache folder is automatically built when you start CoD -- nothing further to do on your part.

I've tried all kinds of stuff as well; running in low resolution, knocking out grass, trees, shadows, etc etc to reduce graphic load on my GPU. Doing this DOES help keep framerates up overall, but I've been gradually enabling different features again (I like the eye candy), including increasing the resolution once more to 1680 x 1050 on my 22" Samsung. I've only had one near-CTD this year (frame rates dropped to single digit in a low level dogfight, resulting in me crashing into terrain -- but no actual crash or screen freeze).

I don't bother doing (1) anymore, but I try to remember to do (2). The time I had the near-CTD I had neglected to delete the Softclub Cache folder for some time.

Several other times during intense low-level coastal dogfights I noticed my frame rate dropping so I immediately disengaged and turned towards the sea -- my framerate instantly rose back up to the normal 60 fps (I have VSynch turned on) allowing me to resume play with no further interruption.

Other things that may help that your system possesses: Win 7 64-bit (CoD is only 32 bit, but the extra RAM you have no doubt helps handle the background processes and affiliated programs (TrackIR, Teamspeak, etc) while CoD is running.

Hope this helps. We need a fix for CTD's, these are only a few tips that may or may not keep things running when flying online.

[CaptainDoggles]

Originally Posted by Fjordmonkey

And you still forgot the main thing when buying ANY piece of software: Caveat Emptor. Let the buyer beware. It's what the rest of us has learned through bitter experiences, especially those of us that have played MMO's in the past. Yes, we bought a piece of software because we wanted to support a great series. But it seems that many has forgotten the rather MASSIVE issues that the original IL2 had, and has forgotten just how 1C has done communication over the years, especially when under the wings of Ubisoft.

So... you're saying they did a piss poor job before, so it's okay for them to continue to do a piss poor job? Oleg's not running the company any more. I have no confidence in MG's ability to deliver the product we paid for.

It's the same crap that every community has to put up with when the community is outright hostile towards anyone bringing in the news. If you constantly shoot the messengers, and that IS happening here, regardless of how you look at it, they will, eventually, stop sending messengers. It's a fairly simple prospect, wouldn't you think? Hell, I know I wouldn't bother saying anything until things were ready to go out the door in this environment, as it takes far more time and effort to try to calm the rabid hounds in here than to just leave them be.

Go back a few years in posts and I think you'll find the atmosphere and tone on these forums to be markedly different. I used to be a fervent defender of this project. I also suggest that you have a look at some of the update posts. There are lots and lots of people saying their thank-yous to the developers, myself included. More than once I've tried to get the developers on board with the idea that if they would just be open with us, things would be better. "Hey guys, we think we fixed A B and C but we're having a problem with X, Y, and Z. Still working hard on it, sit tight." Three sentences once a week could have saved MG all kinds of headaches.

they'll be crucified regardless of what they do.

Patently false and you know it.

[Mardescrap]

Originally Posted by 6S.Manu

Since YOU have bought their product YOU have the RIGHT to complain. And THEY have the DUTY to answer.

It only because we've spent 50€ for it... but think about a car sold in the same condition... do you see the line of lawyers out of the office?

Wrong.

You made a bad purchase. That's all.

When you go see a bad movie are you entitled to write the script for the sequel? Are you entitled to have updates from the director? No.

If you buy a car that is a lemon, it's your problem, fix it or sell it or sue whoever you want but don't ask the designer to keep you updated on their work and to incorporate every idea in the next one you're going to buy.

It's the same thing. You just have to buy or not to buy.

[Mardescrap]

Originally Posted by Manuc

this is totally ridiculous. We are paying customers and no poor suppliants at the court of the king.

Did you subscribe to updates or did you pay for a game?

[d.burnette]

Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles

So... you're saying they did a piss poor job before, so it's okay for them to continue to do a piss poor job? Oleg's not running the company any more. I have no confidence in MG's ability to deliver the product we paid for.

Go back a few years in posts and I think you'll find the atmosphere and tone on these forums to be markedly different. I used to be a fervent defender of this project. I also suggest that you have a look at some of the update posts. There are lots and lots of people saying their thank-yous to the developers, myself included. More than once I've tried to get the developers on board with the idea that if they would just be open with us, things would be better. "Hey guys, we think we fixed A B and C but we're having a problem with X, Y, and Z. Still working hard on it, sit tight." Three sentences once a week could have saved MG all kinds of headaches.

Patently false and you know it.

Ok so I am new to COD having just purchased and just started really reading up on these forums as it has been a while.
I am curious:
So what is Oleg doing these days - just finding out by catching up that he has left this series.
What/who is MG?

Just trying to get caught up.

Thanks,

[JG5_emil]

Originally Posted by Mardescrap

Wrong.

You made a bad purchase. That's all.

When you go see a bad movie are you entitled to write the script for the sequel? Are you entitled to have updates from the director? No.

If you buy a car that is a lemon, it's your problem, fix it or sell it or sue whoever you want but don't ask the designer to keep you updated on their work and to incorporate every idea in the next one you're going to buy.

It's the same thing. You just have to buy or not to buy.

I hope you don't run a business with that attitude.

[CaptainDoggles]

Originally Posted by d.burnette

So what is Oleg doing these days - just finding out by catching up that he has left this series.

There's some debate as to why he left - if he quit or if he was fired, etc. All that is known is that he is now the Chief Technical Officer of a company called Vizerra. http://vizerra.com/en/about/team

What/who is MG?

Maddox Games

Just trying to get caught up.

Np.

[6S.Manu]

Originally Posted by Mardescrap

Wrong.

You made a bad purchase. That's all.

When you go see a bad movie are you entitled to write the script for the sequel? Are you entitled to have updates from the director? No.

If you buy a car that is a lemon, it's your problem, fix it or sell it or sue whoever you want but don't ask the designer to keep you updated on their work and to incorporate every idea in the next one you're going to buy.

It's the same thing. You just have to buy or not to buy.

Ah! I have to said this to my customers... "Ehi you, buy my software! It works!"

And when they call me at the office I answer that they need to fix it alone... even if the issue is my application itself. In your opinion should I send them the source code?

Of course if they give me feedback to improve the application then I can rightly send them to **** off. After all improving a product to meet the user's needs is totally useless... in your world.

Movies and videogames are like apples and oranges.