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As an example, Read what Shacklady and Morgan have to say about the 100 Octane fuel. 1. Strategic Fuel Reserve was to be 800,000 tons on hand before ANY aircraft flew using the fuel. 2. Sixteen fighter squadrons and two bomber squadrons were to begin using the fuel in September 1940. If you look at the consumption figures, you will see it is not until September 1940 that 100 octane consumption begins to equal half of the total fuel consumption. 16 squadrons is just over 1/3 of Fighter Command and our multi engine bombers of course consume more fuel proportional to the number of engines. You can really see the drop in consumption of 87 Octane after September, 1940. Which also begs to ask, who is using all the 87 octane during July and August of the BoB??? http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthr...=20110&page=23 Point is you can speculate until the cows come home. Without a document saying listing it as the specified fuel, this is all assumption. I am out of this debate at this point. There is nothing intelligent to discuss about it until a fuel specification order or something saying all units are to use it is found. All that can be said as a fact is the RAF transitioned from 87 Octane to 100 Octane by early 1941. Have fun guys and enjoy what you do. Last edited by Crumpp; 03-02-2012 at 10:29 PM. |
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I mean, it's pretty obvious 100 octane was used during the BoB, i just can't be sure, in the academically justified sense of the word, about the exact extent and timeframe of its use with the information we have in hand. That's one of the reasons i would like to see both versions (87 and 100 octane) modeled in the sim. |
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Multi engine bombers, apart from some Blenheims - which were using 87 octane as well as 100 octane fuel - were still using 87 octane, including Wellingtons, Whitleys and Hampdens. Did you notice that these bombers were engaged in intensive operations against targets in Germany, and against French shipping ports holding concentrations of landing barges etc? Then there is Coastal Command to consider. What on earth do you mean by "If you look at the consumption figures, you will see it is not until September 1940 that 100 octane consumption begins to equal half of the total fuel consumption." Heavy bombers using 87 octane fuel? Do the maths. Last edited by NZtyphoon; 03-02-2012 at 11:37 PM. Reason: French shipping ports |
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Tony Bartley DFC, Smoke Trails in the Sky, (Crecy Publishing Limited, Wilmslow, Cheshire, 1997), p. 35. ![]() Tim Vigors DFC, Life’s Too Short to Cry, (Grub Street, London, 2006), p. 137. ![]() |
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You are the first person I have come across who calls official original documents held in the National Archives speculation. |
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Can we lock this thread ?
Nothing as come new and every pages is wallowed by huge images of the same "pieces of evidence". I won't matter of this if only the insults were not part of the debate. Sadly it's not. I guess that some hve blended an inch of 100 octane in their milk ![]() |
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No. 32 Squadron pre BoB H No. 92 (East India) Squadron pre BoB S No. 111 Squadron pre BoB H No. 151 Squadron Feb 1940 H No. 602 (City of Glasgow) Squadron pre BoB S No. 609 (West Riding) Squadron pre BoB S No. 1 (Cawnpore) Squadron May 1940 H No. 3 Squadron May 1940 H No. 17 Squadron May 1940 H No. 19 Squadron May 1940 S No. 54 Squadron May 1940 S No. 74 Squadron May 1940 S No. 56 (Punjab) Squadron May 1940 H No. 73 Squadron May 1940 H No. 79 (Madras Presidency) Squadron May 1940 H No. 85 Squadron May 1940 H No. 87 (United Provinces) Squadron May 1940 H No. 229 Squadron May 1940 H No. 43 (China-British) Squadron June 1940 H No. 41 Squadron June 1940 S No. 610 (County of Chester) Squadron June 1940 S No. 611 (West Lancashire) Squadron June 1940 S No. 145 Squadron July 1940 H Now what were you saying Eugene. ![]() |
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Film of "The Daily Inspection of the Spitfire". Copies may be obtained from the Imperial War Museum (35 mm).
The aircraft being serviced is a 609 Squadron Spitfire I R6692 - first flight 3 June 40, 609 Sqdn 7 June 1940, Struck off charge Cat E 2 Sept 1940. The aircraft is shown in a pre Battle of Britain white and black underside paint scheme. Note the 100 painted on the fuselage at the fuel tank location. (Some Operations Record Books such as 602 Squadron's ORB noted a switch to all duck egg blue underside paint scheme in mid June.) 609 Squadron was stationed at Northholt during June of 1940 when the instructional film was shot. Still taken from the film: ![]() |
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Nor have these people explained how the RAF prevented none but "concerned" or "selected units", 16 squadrons, from using the fuel? To KF, VIP et al: Could you please explain in concise detail how the RAF selected the 16 squadrons, and how the RAF made sure that only 16 squadrons at a time used 100 Octane fuel, and could you provide documented evidence of the processes and logistics used by the RAF to ensure that only 16 squadrons at a time were allowed to use the fuel during the B of B? Could you please provide some documented evidence that there was a shortage of 100 octane fuel during July, August, such that FC had to stop using the fuel? Could you please provide documentary evidence of FC pilots (apart from Gladiators, NF Blenheims and Whirlwinds) using 87 octane fuel in combat between July and September 1940? Pleeease??? Last edited by NZtyphoon; 03-03-2012 at 09:54 PM. Reason: spelling mistake |
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