SPIT MK I/II and over boost

[Faustnik]

Fruit bat,

The BoB was several months of improvements with the Merlins. Better engines and better fuel. To say that 1940s Spits used 12 boosts is good look at history.

CoDs Spits boosts are just wrong. I spend a lot of time in the Spit in ATAT online and the Spits are faster then the 109s at low Altitudes. Spits can outrun and dogfight the 109s but, they are very difficult to kill then.

Again, hopefully the patch will fix them.

[Faustnik]

Fruit back,

I'm too slow to right. I like your lost post.

I would like to see with the Spit 1/1a with 9 boost and 87 gas. Spit II with 100 octain and 12 boost. Even better, about 8 Spits for several for 1940 months.

[fruitbat]

Originally Posted by Faustnik

Fruit back,

I'm too slow to right. I like your lost post.

I would like to see with the Spit 1/1a with 9 boost and 87 gas. Spit II with 100 octain and 12 boost. Even better, about 8 Spits for several for 1940 months.

I would like to see a situation when the fuel can be selected between 87 octane and 100 octane for all models and also the different German fuels (B4 and C3 is it?) for 109's by the mission builder, and then limited server side, and performance adjusted from that, but hey ho.

But then i guess if we're dreaming add to that the fact that a spit at the end of the battle was heavier than at the start and therefore slower to, due to all the extras bolted on, bullet proof screen etc...

[Faustnik]

I've seen some pics of BoB with C3 109s but, I think it was rare.

(I was hurt for a long time and I am trying it post again. Sometimes my post dont make a lot of sense. )

[IvanK]

The 109E sitting in the crash scene in the hanger at Duxford was a C3 machine.

[Al Schlageter]

Originally Posted by IvanK

The 109E sitting in the crash scene in the hanger at Duxford was a C3 machine.

C3 109s were scarcer than chickens with teeth.

The following Spitfire and Hurricane squadrons are known to have used 100 octane fuel before or during the BoB:

1, 17, 19, 41, 43, 54, 56, 64, 65, 66, 72, 73, 74, 79, 85, 87, 92, 141, 145, 151, 152, 222, 229, 234, 245, 249, 264, 303, 602, 603, 605, 609, 610, 611, 616

These squadrons were stationed at the following airfields at sometime during the BoB.


11 Group

RAF Biggin Hill

- RAF Gravesend
- RAF West Malling

RAF Debden

- RAF Martlesham Heath

RAF Hornchurch

- RAF Hawkinge
- RAF Manston
- RAF Gravesend
- RAF Rochford

RAF Kenley

- RAF Croydon

RAF Northolt

- RAF Hendon

RAF North Weald

- RAF Martlesham
- RAF Stapleford

RAF Tangmere

- RAF Westhampnett
- RAF Ford - Bristol Blenheim
- RAF Thorney Island - Bristol Blenheim
- Lee on Solent, RN airfield
- Gosport, RN airfield

Not sure which Sector airfield these were assigned to but as all the sector airfields had 100 octane fuel, so these to would need a stock of 100 octane fuel.

RAF Detling
RAF Eastchurch
RAF Lympne

In 10 Group, 5 of the 6 airfields had stocks of 100 octane fuel.

In 12 Group, 7 of the 8 airfields had stocks of 100 octane fuel.

In 13 Group, 7 of the 10 airfields had stocks of 100 octane fuel. Of the 3 that possible didn't have stocks of 100 octane fuel, one was based in the Shetland Is. and the other in the Orkney Is.

[Kwiatek]

Originally Posted by IvanK

The 109E sitting in the crash scene in the hanger at Duxford was a C3 machine.

It is not version with Db601N engine?

[Faustnik]

Molders unit used E4/Ns with 96 octane starting 7 September. 96 octane was in "short supply". (JG26 War Diary, Caldwell)

I don't thing that 109s should be used game. Maybe a E4/N or E7 model for late BoB?

More pilots should use Bf109e1. A large percentage of BoB pilots used them.

(Just my opinion)

[fruitbat]

Originally Posted by Faustnik

(I was hurt for a long time and I am trying it post again. Sometimes my post dont make a lot of sense. )

I'm sorry too hear that, over the years i've read many posts by you regarding the Fw190 which were essential reading lurking over at Cwos and at ubi, hope things are better,

~S~

[fruitbat]

Originally Posted by Faustnik

Fruit bat,

The BoB was several months of improvements with the Merlins. Better engines and better fuel. To say that 1940s Spits used 12 boosts is good look at history.

CoDs Spits boosts are just wrong. I spend a lot of time in the Spit in ATAT online and the Spits are faster then the 109s at low Altitudes. Spits can outrun and dogfight the 109s but, they are very difficult to kill then.

Again, hopefully the patch will fix them.

I'm not saying that all spits used 100 octane, as this is obviously not the case, from the fuel totals used by the RAF for 100 octane and 87 octane during the battle, but with all the pilot accounts and squadron opps reports that relate to usage during BoB, to say that non of them were is also foolish. Its even more foolish to assume that 11 group did not have priority.

As to whether the spit mk11a goes to fast on 100 octane, thats not something that i know for sure, but it wouldn't surprise me, It all depends on which particular spit test you choose to use, and what particular configuration it was in equipment etc.... Which leads me to agree that at the moment Spits boost/speeds in combination are wrong at the moment to.

@Tomcat VIP, my German is non existent, so i can only go on the data that people have posted here that seems to show that the 109 is to slow down low, not to mention that non of the planes can reach there ceilings, but i guess thats OK to you.

as to your line,

"But I am not the kind of guys that think that cruising at max speed is absolutely essential in any serious sim"

wow, without your insight, i just don't think i could of managed to fly online for so many years.... Oh wait......