Is the comunity manager coming in ?

[Orpheus]

Originally Posted by KG26_Alpha

This shows you have not read or understood anything I posted.

We know the state of the game in the beginning ....... that's history but as things move forwards people like to still go back and use this old whine.

The Russian community manager has already explained why he wont be posting here.

Oleg gave up posting updates ............ in this words,

"dammed if I do and dammed if I don't"

In the end he didn't.

The constant bashing does have an affect, if they get a better response elsewhere and can use that to move forwards then where's the problem.

I really don't see the fuss being made here its just a Community manager being used to communicate in Russian on a Russian forum,
you are not loosing out on anything thing here nothings being taken away.
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'This shows you have not read or understood anything I posted' is ironic, because I had the same reaction to your reply. There are far fewer trolls here now than there were at release, anyone spending any time here can see that, and to tar the entire non-russian community with that brush is pointless and wasteful. You know as well as I do that dev posts here are met with more praise than anger nowadays, so the 'damned if I do, damned if I don't' line doesn't hold water, not least because it was Oleg that said that, and Oleg is no longer here.

I don't believe for a second that there are somehow fewer trolls in Russia, or that sukhoi.ru is a haven of peaceful co-operation. There, as here, moderating the outright insults and moving the worthy arguments is the job of forum moderators like yourself - if that's not happening and the devs (who should have thicker skins) are getting upset, then you're not shielding them from the worst of it, and you need more moderators, or just better ones.

And as the 'bashing' (which, let's be honest, is not actually constant; you're over-dramatising, as most of the posts here seem to be fairly sensible) has an effect, so do the long periods of silence have an effect. The longer the silence, the more effort it takes to regain the trust of the people you have ignored - so yes, it will take some effort to regain that trust. But the alternative is a split community, which is never good for a game - and more bashing. And so the cycle continues, until someone is brave enough to break it.

And no, you're right, we've not 'lost' anything. But the reaction to this, and the constant and ongoing calls for communication and involvement continue, should tell you that the great majority of people here want to be positive, want to help, and to be involved. They care about this game just as much as the Russians do, and they're shut out because a few trolls scared the devs, who, to be quite honest, must have known they were going to get some flak when they released the game in that state.

Retreating to 'their side of the border' is just plain hiding - it's always been hiding, and it always will be. In the end they just damage themselves by isolating and ignoring their customers, wasting an enormous community resource and leave it to people like you to tell us that the only people worthy of involvement are Russians (because they live in a world magically free of trolls).

So no, you really didn't read (or at least, understand) a word I said in the last post. I doubt you'll fare any better this time either, but I live in hope. This community has some really decent people who don't deserve to be tarred by the actions of others, and drinking the kool-aid in this way, frankly, does them a disservice.