CH Fighterstick-sensitivity problem caused by CLOD or CH control manager?

[trumps]

I have always used CM with my HOTAS, and pedals, apart from in WWII online where I had issues with it. In the last near on 11years that I have been running my CH setup I have never had an issue with regards to centering, spiking, and or any other axis response. Will have a play next time I am in town to see if I notice a difference by not using CM.

Craig

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[David198502]

Originally Posted by trumps

I have always used CM with my HOTAS, and pedals, apart from in WWII online where I had issues with it. In the last near on 11years that I have been running my CH setup I have never had an issue with regards to centering, spiking, and or any other axis response. Will have a play next time I am in town to see if I notice a difference by not using CM.

Craig

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i didnt know that i have a problem regarding the centering of the stick until i calibrated via windows....the difference is really small and only in the absolute center of the stick.the small space where the stick is movable without feeling the pressure of the springs.
when i used the ch software for the stick, the animated stick in the game would not move when i did such small inputs on the real stick without feeling the spring's pressure.
but now as i calibrated only with windows, and have no ch software on my rig, the game recognizes those really ridiculous small inputs.the stick seems to react on even the smallest movement of my arm, and so does the game now.
when i calibrated the stick with ch control manager and had a map, in the game i had to move the stick until i could feel the pressure of the springs that i could see a movement of the animated stick in the game.

[ATAG_Bliss]

Hi David,

I have the full CH kit (FS, PP, PT, TQ, and 2 MFP's) I've always used the CH software to link them together. The main point about the software is you can virtually do anything you want to do with key binds etc. But the other point is when using the software, say your map is loaded it turns all your controllers into 1 device. This comes in handy for many older games that will only recognize a mouse and keyboard, for instance. The other thing about the software is you have the ability to use "off mode" that way all your axises don't interfere, again, with other games like an first person shooter.

That's interesting about the precision in the middle. My kit, besides the MFP's are getting up there in age, and I've never noticed any sort of precision lost anywhere lol. I know you are stating, it's a very small gain without the software. I guess I'll have to test it and see if I see the same thing.

I just can't believe the CH software would actually cause a problem though. Perhaps the CH software default sensitivity is set lower than in game? Might be worth raising it a bit in the software and see if your loss in precision comes back.

[Peril]

After a full install from Win 32 bit to Win 64 Bit I noticed the response was non linear now. Windows drivers seem to have a small fixed amount of exponential programmed in?

I have installed the CH drivers hoping to resolve this issue and also because when my system takes a sleep, it drops the stick. I'm in the middle of trying to see if loading the CM will resolve this issue.

In short, after my reinstall to 64bit, there were defiantly some stick feel changes similar to what you are seeing. Still working on resolving these myself.

[IvanK]

I recall some discussion on the CH forums eons ago about CH calibration. they ade it quite clear that if you intend using CH manager then don't ever calibrate directly in Windows. (It was in the time of XP mind you). A utility exists to delete the windows calibration.

I have been using CH and CH manager for years with zero issues. Having been down the Cougar trail ..Uber next mods etc I switched to CH and never looked back. The stick and throttle are at least 4 years old and never missed a beat, or spiked or reduced sensitivity.

Only changes I have made are the Ivankuturkokoffrubberband mod. A 5 min job that allows you vary spring pressure in each axis independently as the only fault imo in the CH stick is its a little to light. With this my elevator pressure is about 1/3 more than Roll pressure which i have about twice as stiff as stock anyway. The mod is "Fail passive" and I get about 6 months out of a set of bands.

[David198502]

hey IvanK...do you have a link to that rubberband mod?i searched in google but didnt find anything related to it except your post.

[IvanK]

Originally Posted by David198502

hey IvanK...do you have a link to that rubberband mod?i searched in google but didnt find anything related to it except your post.

Sure David its my mod. I will dig out some images etc tomorrow and post here.

[Peril]

Originally Posted by IvanK

I recall some discussion on the CH forums eons ago about CH calibration. they ade it quite clear that if you intend using CH manager then don't ever calibrate directly in Windows. (It was in the time of XP mind you). A utility exists to delete the windows calibration.

You can't do this under Win 7 64bit, it won't let you

[David198502]

Originally Posted by Peril

You can't do this under Win 7 64bit, it won't let you

i think you can....
i started a thread about the same topic over at ch-hangar and bob gave me the advice to clean the windows calibration with this tool...

quote by Bob Church:
"....
http://www.wingmanteam.com

and look on the main page for a utility called ClrCalib.exe. Download that and run it, it wipes Windows calibration data clean and should clear up the conflict."