The Battle of Britain Was The First Defeat For The German Luftwaffe.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

You've been called names? Seriously...grow a pair and man up, take a look back at some of the crap that got flung my way.

grow a pair? man up? Seriously Bongo?
Besides, was it me flinging that crap at you?

Quit with all this island banjo crap, are you a historian or a psychologist, read the original topic and answer me why us island rednecks have had to endure 30 odd pages of insults against our nation and a denial of any achievement, some have suggested we should let it go because it's history........doesn't
Seem to apply to you though.

I wasn't insulting your nation, I was just trying to give an assessment that I know would have proven unpopular among the average Briton. I care about the objectiveness of history, not the nationalistic takes on it. Unfortunately I'm afraid that's all you can do instead.

My getting boring comment was just sarcasm, but if you want to make an island mentality issue out of it what can I do.

yeah, you see sarcasm the way is used in Britain is considered out of place in many other cultures. Just because we speak your language it doesn't mean that we also think like you do.

[Bewolf]

NP Stern. My gripe with this thread is not the pride of british nationals for the war and the conduct of the people living on the british isles at that time, it's simply the expectation that those very tight and focused views on these events are being taken as a matter of course in an international forum. That is a bit of a pretentious attitude, especially given the fact that any views differing from the british mainstream are reinterpretated as offensive and a direct assault on british achievements.

[bongodriver]

My issue is that I got called a Nationalist after my first post because I just said the english channel was a weak excuse for the LW performance in the BOB.

My blood began to boil when this post was alowed to go without challenge...

After Dunkirk you didn't had more left but tea to offer!!
Otherwise why should Churchill Lend & Lease some 50 war weary US Destroyers?
Ah yes because you ran out even on tea.
And your British Army sucked on every major Battle until the USA showed up at the ETO, the same is for the PTO!
But that's maybe because they didn't had allways Canadians and Australians on their side, they know how to fight!

No apparently I have no right to be insulted, because I'm not allowed to assciate myself with my contry's past....unless it's about something bad the Brits did.....go figure.

[bongodriver]

yeah, you see sarcasm the way is used in Britain is considered out of place in many other cultures. Just because we speak your language it doesn't mean that we also think like you do.

Well I'm awfully sorry about that....it's mainly a symptom of having preserved our culture by not being beaten in conflict and assimilated into another, but you are apparently a master theorist on what the British mentality is....yet I just had to explain that one to you.

[PeterPanPan]

Originally Posted by Kongo-Otto

Sternjäger let them dream on about the BoB as their Big Victory, ok they even won the war (well with a "tiny lil bit" of US help) but afterwards they sucked permanently since 1945, i mean look at them their Cities are Crime infested shitholes with looting hordes, their economy is not worth to mention and of course their Football National team, which also sucks since 1966.

Reported. Idiotic, tactless and offensive post.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

My issue is that I got called a Nationalist after my first post because I just said the english channel was a weak excuse for the LW performance in the BOB.

My blood began to boil when this post was alowed to go without challenge...



No apparently I have no right to be insulted, because I'm not allowed to assciate myself with my contry's past....unless it's about something bad the Brits did.....go figure.

I dare say it was challenged quite massively enough =)

You are right, posts like those are uncalled for, to be expected in such a debate but uncalled for nevertheless. Best course of action here is to ignore them and concentrate on
substance, else everything goes down the drain.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Well I'm awfully sorry about that....it's mainly a symptom of having preserved our culture by not being beaten in conflict and assimilated into another, but you are apparently a master theorist on what the British mentality is....yet I just had to explain that one to you.

Hope you are aware that others could regard such a matter of fact as "stagnation". And if you go by history, this very attitude usually preludes a negative development in a nations fortunes. It seriously is not 1945 anymore, regardless of what Rupert Murdoch says.

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

Hope you are aware that others could regard such a matter of fact as "stagnation". And if you go by history, this very attitude usually preludes a negative development in a nations fortunes. It seriously is not 1945 anymore, regardless of what Rupert Murdoch says.

Quite agree....the Germans should have just accepted what happened in WWI, then this conversation wouldn't be happening, but then the 4th of july celebrations didn't seem to hurt the US any.......

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

My issue is that I got called a Nationalist after my first post because I just said the english channel was a weak excuse for the LW performance in the BOB.

My blood began to boil when this post was alowed to go without challenge...



No apparently I have no right to be insulted, because I'm not allowed to assciate myself with my contry's past....unless it's about something bad the Brits did.....go figure.

It was an uncalled for post, but as you know I can only guarantee for my own posts, not others'. I hope you're not comparing my approach to that one though.

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Well I'm awfully sorry about that....it's mainly a symptom of having preserved our culture by not being beaten in conflict and assimilated into another, but you are apparently a master theorist on what the British mentality is....yet I just had to explain that one to you.

I would look at a foreigner's perspective on my country as a refreshing and new one, not necessarily a negative one: as much as I mentioned negative chapters of your history, I also mentioned glorious ones. The reaction I got instead is similar to someone that knows his past is imperfect and gets all aggressive when mentioned.

Let's not be naive, there's no perfect country out there, we all come from somewhere where someone at some point said "mmmh I think we screwed this up a lil bit".

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

I dare say it was challenged quite massively enough =)

You are right, posts like those are uncalled for, to be expected in such a debate but uncalled for nevertheless. Best course of action here is to ignore them and concentrate on
substance, else everything goes down the drain.

This I genuinely agree with too, and I am not denying getting a little hot heade at times.....more a symptom of being human than British.