The Battle of Britain Was The First Defeat For The German Luftwaffe.

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

Now that is a summary!

it is pure and simple, but some seem to have a problem with it's simplicity, they need a few ifs and buts thrown in with a liberal sprinkle of excuses and masses of denial.

[Kongo-Otto]

Originally Posted by IamNotDavid

That is the most idiotic thing I have ever read. The Nazis (and Germans who helped them) would have been the bad ones no matter who won the war.

Oh really and when the Nazis would have won, who would be there to say that they are the bad ones? Know what i mean?

Some horrible posts here.

Then:

Personally I never understood the "being proud to be XY" or "being proud of my country's past" etc.

What I'd like to say: I am proud of

- having done well at university

- having success x and y in my job

- being the best in this and that.

But the reason of being proud (or the opposite being ashamed) of something that I did have no part in and could not have had because I am too young for it eludes me completely. How can one be proud or ashamed of the deeds of somebody else? One may be grateful though ...

I do understand that one loves his country and wants the best for it but this has nothing to do with proudness or shamefulness for something long in the past.

This as a side note.

I wished some people just could take a few steps back and look at things from a distance.

Then we could have a civilized discussion here without bitching around ...

[bongodriver]

What I'd like to say: I am proud of

- having done well at university

- having success x and y in my job

- being the best in this and that.

thats really just a selfish pride, but being proud of the deeds of your forebears who fought for a noble cause seems just fine to me.

Originally Posted by Kongo-Otto

Oh really and when the Nazis would have won, who would be there to say that they are the bad ones? Know what i mean?

Who cares? Being the only one left to write the propaganda doesn't make you right.

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Kongo-Otto

Oh really and when the Nazis would have won, who would be there to say that they are the bad ones? Know what i mean?

Yeah we actually already understood the bizarre logic, may as well have let the Germans have their way eh? nobody would be the wiser because nobody would be alive who had anything different to say.

Originally Posted by bongodriver

thats really just a selfish pride, but being proud of the deeds of your forebears who fought for a noble cause seems just fine to me.

strange.

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by 41Sqn_Stormcrow

strange.

selfishness = thinking of yourself above others, akin to nacissism etc

appreciating the actions of another is not selfish.......what's so strange

[Kongo-Otto]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Whoa there fella!......we were the 'good ones' at the start of it, the German claim to regaining lost territory ended at the French border, I don't recall France ever belonging to Germany (though I might add parts of it did belong to the Brittons....Brittany),

Of course you don't know, but first of all it was not about regaining the whole French Nation, it was about Alsace Lorraine. I don't know how many wars have been fought between France and Germany about it.

[Kongo-Otto]

Originally Posted by IamNotDavid

That is the most idiotic thing I have ever read. The Nazis (and Germans who helped them) would have been the bad ones no matter who won the war.

Originally Posted by IamNotDavid

Who cares? Being the only one left to write the propaganda doesn't make you right.

Boy you really dont get it!