The Battle of Britain Was The First Defeat For The German Luftwaffe.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Se we were an underdog!.....we still are, has the German phyce no concept of fighting back against a bigger aggressor? the Brits have nothing to feel ashamed of in that respect.

no, that's true, you only have to feel ashamed for the bomber offensive perpetrated by Harris. That's your only flaw in an otherwise spotless conduct.

Uh and Market-Garden.

[bongodriver]

Breast polishing? Should be pretty self explainatory. Making your armor shine that much that it blinds you.

But...but I'm not wearing armour.....I don't understand......oh I get it youre saying I'm a jumped up little nationalist prick etc....no thats not belittleing at all.

no, that's true, you only have to feel ashamed for the bomber offensive perpetrated by Harris. That's your only flaw in an otherwise spotless conduct.

Uh and Market-Garden.

Oh so we need to feel ashamed of a couple of mistakes while Germany is completely absolved because it happened so long ago and nobody really got hurt.....well nobody important anyway eh?

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

But...but I'm not wearing armour.....I don't understand......oh I get it youre saying I'm a jumped up little nationalist prick etc....no thats not belittleing at all.



Oh so we need to feel ashamed of a couple of mistakes while Germany is completely absolved because it happened so long ago and nobody really got hurt.....well nobody important anyway eh?

haven't said that Germany shouldn't feel ashamed, they still do and pay for it (I had a German girlfriend in 2007, she was 27 and a part of the taxes she paid went on the reimbursement for the war..).

Your "couple of mistakes", as you called them, cost 600.000 civilian lives and 55.000 RAF airmen.

Didn't hear much mourning from the British side on this though.

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

haven't said that Germany shouldn't feel ashamed, they still do and pay for it (I had a German girlfriend in 2007, she was 27 and a part of the taxes she paid went on the reimbursement for the war..).

Your "couple of mistakes", as you called them, cost 600.000 civilian lives and 55.000 RAF airmen.

Didn't hear much mourning from the British side on this though.

Were still paying taxes for our cost in the war, at least germany has paid off it's debt (I heard a while back)

forgive us if we haven't made enough programmes that highlight the awfull nature of the 'firebombing' raids, and I guess at the time we were busy digging our own dead out of our own bombed cities....sorry.

Market Garden?....so it's ok for the Germans to use bad planning blah blah blah as an excuse for the 'defeat' in the BOB, and somehow we need to feel ashamed of our Paras for putting up a pretty damned good fight against overwhelming odds?

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Were still paying taxes for our cost in the war, at least germany has paid off it's debt (I heard a while back)

forgive us if we haven't made enough programmes that highlight the awfull nature of the 'firebombing' raids, and I guess at the time we were busy digging our own dead out of our own bombed cities....sorry.

Market Garden?....so it's ok for the Germans to use bad planning blah blah blah as an excuse for the 'defeat' in the BOB, and somehow we need to feel ashamed of our Paras for putting up a pretty damned good fight against overwhelming odds?

that's not what I meant Bongo, I meant that there isn't much relevance given to the criminal act of firebombing civilian targets as it should, it's not about taxes or BBC programmes.

You're doing it again Bongo, putting words in other people's mouths. Market-Garden was something to be ashamed of (under a military point of view) not because of the brave work done by your fantastic Paras, but because of that idiot that goes by the name of Montgomery, who even after the war never admitted his plan was too much of a stretch, done on poor intelligence and an unnecessary sacrifice of brave, good soldiers.

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

that's not what I meant Bongo, I meant that there isn't much relevance given to the criminal act of firebombing civilian targets as it should, it's not about taxes or BBC programmes.

You're doing it again Bongo, putting words in other people's mouths. Market-Garden was something to be ashamed of (under a military point of view) not because of the brave work done by your fantastic Paras, but because of that idiot that goes by the name of Montgomery, who even after the war never admitted his plan was too much of a stretch, done on poor intelligence and an unnecessary sacrifice of brave, good soldiers.

What can I say......as far as I know it's our taxes paying to make amends for dresden and the likes, you seem to be misled over any non aknowledgement of the said raids by the British, we are fully aware of it and I don't think anybody deep down is proud of it, I'm afraid I'm at a loss why you brought market garden up at all in that case, even good commanders have made mistakes but I have already agreed with you Montgomery was a useless bellend.

[fruitbat]

As to the Bomber command raids, i don't think anyone now would say it was a good thing, but we are judging from todays standpoint and with hindsight, both of which were absent in the 40's.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

But...but I'm not wearing armour.....I don't understand......oh I get it youre saying I'm a jumped up little nationalist prick etc....no thats not belittleing at all.

Oh so we need to feel ashamed of a couple of mistakes while Germany is completely absolved because it happened so long ago and nobody really got hurt.....well nobody important anyway eh?

You are placing words into my mouth. Don't blame me for you to read what you want to read. My apologies if I came over as overly sarcastic, but it's not as if you made yourself easy to ignore.

[ATAG_Dutch]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

you only have to feel ashamed for the bomber offensive perpetrated by Harris.

No we don't, any more than the Americans should be ashamed of Bomber campaigns in both Europe and the Pacific.

And it wasn't perpetrated by Harris.

Harris never did anything that wasn't sanctioned by the war cabinet, headed by Churchill.

Harris has been made a scapegoat for far too long.