Bf-109E-4 and E-4/B With Update???

[Das Attorney]

lol

To expand on what I meant - I don't want to see something written out of the game totally because of how it performed compared to other planes. Obv, playing online should be fun, so maybe servers can do similar stuff to Repka and have limited quantities of "uber planes" available.

I like using both blue and red, but ATM, the Spit I is not fun to fly and granted the Spit II is too good compared to 109 E3. I'm hoping this new patch might bring in some balance to the planes and make it a little more appetising to play red while not weeing all over blue (as it were).

[DB605]

Originally Posted by JG53Frankyboy

there is one, its just a thumbswitch on the throttle
this switch replaced the lever on the panel - if there is a automatic or not.

Yes i know it's in the throttle like later models , i thought it was changed to there when automatic prop control was appeared but i stand corrected.

[skouras]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

Spot on, I really hope that they have included the canopy change it makes a big diffrence to the look of the 109 IMHO.

yes they have change it
look the update video with the sounds Tree
you will notice it

[Gollum]

Originally Posted by Das Attorney

lol

To expand on what I meant - I don't want to see something written out of the game totally because of how it performed compared to other planes. Obv, playing online should be fun, so maybe servers can do similar stuff to Repka and have limited quantities of "uber planes" available.

I like using both blue and red, but ATM, the Spit I is not fun to fly and granted the Spit II is too good compared to 109 E3. I'm hoping this new patch might bring in some balance to the planes and make it a little more appetising to play red while not weeing all over blue (as it were).

I have fun playing both red and blue now without the spit II. I have no problem flying a spit I or Ia against current E3 109's. My rule of thumb is try not to get caught at the disadvantage with altitude and when not possible, out turn until they make a mistake. I've gotten many kills online with both, even though the current 109s have the advantage of choosing when to fight (climb or dive away).

I actually don't enjoy playing on servers with spit IIs now whether im on blue or red because if I'm blue I have no advantage to play on and if I'm on red-- I feel like i'm cheating.

Boths planes have advantages and disadvantages now and are fun to play with. anyone who says otherwise just needs a bit of patience and practice. (teamwork is key too). Fly with a buddy and strategize...

PATCH SOON!!!!

Ps. I like the idea of limiting plane models ect... always dreamed of a attrition / rank system (WWII online style but IL2).

Have a good holiday weekend all..

Yall be cool

[Ze-Jamz]

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Ps. I like the idea of limiting plane models ect... always dreamed of a attrition / rank system (WWII online style but IL2).
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Oh how we battled hard to get either the SpitMK5 or the 109F...ah those were the days

[Blackdog_kt]

Originally Posted by Ze-Jamz

Cool bring it on... let me know when its here and il change my Sig pic to a nice spitty..

The Spit2 will outclimb, out turn, run down and will do more damage with 2 hispanos and 303's im sure...dont expect too many blue pilots around to fight on the server its on

Unless its cannons jam with the historically correct frequency which, judging from the fact that it was pulled from frontline duty pretty fast, must have been quite high

On a serious note, i'm all for getting all available aircraft to their correct specifications, balancing is better left to the players, mission designers and server admins once we have the appropriate tools.

[Ralith]

Originally Posted by smink1701

Just curious, does anyone else find the addition of various plane models where there is no real visual difference and very minor changes to engine, performance or armament is kind of a waste of time and effort. I do. Put all your efforts in making a new plane or adding cannons to the Spit.

No. Realize that the dev team is not composed of incredible do-it-all developers. While the engine guys are fixing bugs, the aircraft modelers have little to do. In addition, it's exactly this kind of new model—relatively small revisions of existing craft—which doesn't take all that much time or effort to create, and gives us more variety and balance options.

[ATAG_Doc]

Originally Posted by Gollum

Wasn't the e-4 the dominant fighter during bob? heard e-3 was rare.. Mineshells sound nice... Wings be gone...

http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/BoB.htm

Quote:
The Bf 109E-4, which entered service in May 1940 and was therefore the latest model used at the time of the BoB, introduced the MG-FFM cannon. This was a version of the MG-FF modified to fire the new, thin-walled high-capacity mine shells (Minengeschoss or M-Geschoss). Although containing far more explosive than the MG-FF's shells, the M-Geschoss was much lighter at 92 g. It was fired at a higher velocity of around 700 m/s (2,300 fps) but even so did not develop enough recoil to operate the MG-FF's mechanism, so the gun had to be altered with a lighter reciprocating weight and weaker recoil spring. Ammunition for the MG-FF and MG-FFM was therefore not interchangeable. It appears that MG-FFs were gradually converted to the FFM standard and the two terms used interchangeably thereafter.

Comparisons of the effectiveness of the British and German armament are not unlike the comparisons of the aircraft – each had its strengths and weaknesses. The British armament had a very high rate of fire (160 v. 50 rounds per second for the Bf 109), increasing the chance of scoring a hit. In weight of fire the German guns had a slight advantage (2.0 v. 1.8 kg per second), whereas in total muzzle energy there was nothing to choose between them. The key difference was of course the high explosive in the 20mm shells, which was enough to give the Bf 109E-4 almost double the destructive power of the British fighters. The M-Geschoss were not good at penetrating armour but this was considered a reasonable price to pay for the increased HE blast effect. The Luftwaffe discovered that the most reliable way of bringing down aircraft was the general destructive effect of HE blast within the structure, rather than relying on being able to hit vital but small areas (e.g. the pilot!), which could be, and quickly were, protected by armour. For this reason, AP projectiles eventually disappeared from German cannon ammunition belts except for special purposes.

[CaptainDoggles]

Originally Posted by smink1701

Just curious, does anyone else find the addition of various plane models where there is no real visual difference and very minor changes to engine, performance or armament is kind of a waste of time and effort. I do. Put all your efforts in making a new plane or adding cannons to the Spit.

Translation: My favorite plane isn't good enough and the other guys are getting a better plane, give me bigger guns please.



Were you disappointed that 1946 had many different variants? Perhaps it should only have included a single 109, a single spit, a single FW, a single P-51, etc etc...

That'd be a great game.

Originally Posted by skouras

yes they have change it
look the update video with the sounds Tree
you will notice it

Thanks buddy, I was so excited about the sounds I didn't even notice the new canopy but like you say its there and those 109's look better for it.