Where is everybody

[CWMV]

Well, as one of the guys that hasnt had much to do with it I can tell you why I havent, and why everyone I know hasnt.

I don't have anything against it exactly, but its just uninteresting, unfinished, and hollow. I'm sure that when a finished product is released the players will come in droves but the reputation that this sim has precedes it far and wide. I know many guys that simply wont bother with it, and wont until its of the same quality as IL2. Understand their mindset, why leave a good thing right?

If we wanted to just fly a simulator, we would fly FSX or some such sim. In that regard as far as CEM sure, CoD is fine.
But its a COMBAT simulator, and in this regard its just a bit, hollow compared to the alternatives.
Then add in that it isn't visually gratifying and confined to a very small, and to many uninteresting part of the war and well its just a recipe for disaster. Why should we bother to learn to fly the new sim when it doesn't offer anything that we want?

[Richie]

Originally Posted by CWMV

Well, as one of the guys that hasnt had much to do with it I can tell you why I havent, and why everyone I know hasnt.

I don't have anything against it exactly, but its just uninteresting, unfinished, and hollow. I'm sure that when a finished product is released the players will come in droves but the reputation that this sim has precedes it far and wide. I know many guys that simply wont bother with it, and wont until its of the same quality as IL2. Understand their mindset, why leave a good thing right?

If we wanted to just fly a simulator, we would fly FSX or some such sim. In that regard as far as CEM sure, CoD is fine.
But its a COMBAT simulator, and in this regard its just a bit, hollow compared to the alternatives.
Then add in that it isn't visually gratifying and confined to a very small, and to many uninteresting part of the war and well its just a recipe for disaster. Why should we bother to learn to fly the new sim when it doesn't offer anything that we want?

If you vulch in a server where it's permitted you're a dirty SOB though.

[CWMV]

Ive never understood this "Vulching" concept. That's combat!
The only thing I hate is the d-bags who shoot parachutes. That was not tolerated for the most part, and as far as I'm concerned anyone who does so should earn an instant ban.

Its one of the reasons I don't care for spits V 109's, too many times I see a guy shoot someone down, then swing around and shoot the pilot in his 'chute. Disgusting.

[CaptainDoggles]

Originally Posted by CWMV

Ive never understood this "Vulching" concept. That's combat!
The only thing I hate is the d-bags who shoot parachutes. That was not tolerated for the most part, and as far as I'm concerned anyone who does so should earn an instant ban.

Its one of the reasons I don't care for spits V 109's, too many times I see a guy shoot someone down, then swing around and shoot the pilot in his 'chute. Disgusting.

So for the things that happened in real life that you agree with, "that's combat, suck it up" but for the things that happened in real life that you have a problem with, "ban those guys, they're d-bags". Got it.

[CWMV]

Ha! Whatever dude.
There are rules to combat, and things that you just don't do.
If one of my soldiers had shot a captured enemy combatant, he would have earned a prison sentence. Now it happens, sure, but that doesn't mean its right or endorsed. And when it does happen its punished severely unless there are extreme extenuating circumstances.

Same thing then. It happened, but was not wide spread, and those that did it without a dang good reason were ostricised and punished. Galland himself said he regarded it as murder.
You implying that because it happened on extremely rare occasions that it should just be accepted and condoned, which is utter BS. It was bad conduct then, its bad conduct now.
But of course armchair warriors think that anything and everything goes.

[CaptainDoggles]

Originally Posted by CWMV

But of course armchair warriors think that anything and everything goes.

That was a nice little jab, implying that I have no military experience (as if that matters even a single iota). You'll notice I didn't give my own views on the matter; I was just pointing out your cognitive dissonance on display.

I could make the argument that war in general is not right, and warmongering nations are ostracised and condemned. Should we therefore cease all simulation of war? I think not. We do this for fun, and lots of people take it way too seriously.

Have a good evening.

[CWMV]

Didn't mean it as a jab towards you, sorry if it was taken as such.
And call it what you want, but adherence to what actually did and does happen in the highest goal, yes? Then you don't shoot non combatants, unless I suppose your playing an SS simulator.
I simply get annoyed by the vast majority of people who have never been insisting on the way things are/were (remember the tracers thread where his model was an airsoft rifle? lol!)
And ya, experience absolutely matters. Would the opinion of a guy that has never even looked under the hood of a car matter when your planning your Trick-flow headed blown 408 LS2 monster motor? Not really. I wish that those who have been in such situations (I know there are at least a few here) would speak up when discussing these issues. They are really the only ones that can speak with much authority on these issues.
But hey, its the internet.

[Richie]

Originally Posted by CWMV

Ive never understood this "Vulching" concept. That's combat!
The only thing I hate is the d-bags who shoot parachutes. That was not tolerated for the most part, and as far as I'm concerned anyone who does so should earn an instant ban.

Its one of the reasons I don't care for spits V 109's, too many times I see a guy shoot someone down, then swing around and shoot the pilot in his 'chute. Disgusting.

I agree on the base straffing I think it should be aloud..1 it's fun..2 it will cancel out a time of no action boredom in a hurry, scramble and get that fkr!!. How many times have you been shot in your chute? It's the only arena I fly in and I've been flying in it from the start. Maybe 20 times from the start that I've been shot in my chute. That's what 5-6 years? I can put up with that and the ones that do it are idiots not the people who fly in there constantly.

[Richie]

You know why straffing bases was canceled though? It was canceled for the bomber pilots. People were hanging around bases waiting for the heavy bombers to come back then jump them. Who wants to spend half and hour going there and back just to be clobbered over your own base. I see their point. No one was using the big bombers to do the missions. If everyone wanted to do this perfectly there would be escorts for every mission perfect fighter intercept coordination the best Teamspeak coms of any server but it ain't going to happen, we all have a lot of fun in there so that's all that matters really.

[trumps]

Chute shooting is just plain poor form, though I have never seen it happen often enough to be an issue. Shooting up airfields should definately be allowed in the historical type servers, but in saying that the fields need good AA coverage, make em work for it! Also there is nothing more fun than spawning at the next base along and jumping on the vulcher while he is preoccupied, easy pickings, they are usually low and slow and moreoften than not end up spinning in as soon as you jump them, great laugh! Not a great fan of the guys that pick you off as you try to land your smoking barely flying wreck though, but as they say what goes around comes around! Vulcher hunting is a great motivator to get people on comms too, get some team work happening.

Craig