IL2 and Sound Modding

[jasonbirder]

Actually......The supposed "requoted/exagerated/twisted" online to offline ratio is getting very tired. Fact of the matter is, anything even vaguely resembling the numbers folks like to quote came from a time and region where online activity had not developed fully....In the short run of this sim for ALL area's internet connections have dramatically improved.

How dramatic?.....From none to cable/wireless/satellite in many cases.....Along with that came greater online activity in all regards, and that applies to this sim as well.

Fact of the matter is, no matter how much so many here want to keep shouting how they're "100% offline" posting away here and seen on HL or elsewhere regularly, nobody is buying into the rediculous "95% offline" bunk.

If you play online AT ALL....you're an onliner....That most likely makes about 70-80+% of the player base

Why requoted/twisted/exagerated? Presumably because they don't fit your "online agenda" there is plenty of evidence pointing to the fact that the majority of sales are to Offliners...none whatsoever to the theory that onliners make up the majority of users...
Do you have any evidence to back up your assertion...other than the somewhat desperate sounding "anyone that has ever been online ever, even for a tiny little bit, is an onliner - because I say so"
Oleg himself stated that his user base was 95% Online
Countless industry polls across all genres show that Online players make up approximately 5% of game sales
Even online polls show that the majority of players are offliners...and i'll leave it for anyone to work out where the bias inherent in that comes from...
Finally...with sales of c400K units if Onliners are in the majority...where the hell are they all?

I don't doubt that there is widespread high-speed broadband access in the more prosperous parts of NW Europe and the United States, but IL2 has always been a game with a broader geographic appeal and you can hardly extrapolate that model across central and south America or Eastern Europe or Russia can you?

[Billfish]

Originally Posted by jasonbirder

you can hardly extrapolate that model across central and south America or Eastern Europe or Russia can you?

Actually quite the contrary, as the most prolific and active groups in HL when I joined were South and Central American......Why I'm rather surprised they're not as now (guessing they moved onto something that supported their languages).

[jasonbirder]

2007 Statistics...

North America 70.2% of the population has access to the internet
Central America 22.4% of the population has access to the internet
South America 18.2% of the population has access to the internet

Like you say...not much difference at all

[Robert]

Originally Posted by OMK_Handsome

uf_josse...

There's talk of finding ways of controlling the effects of modding over at AAA. One suggestion is to have one person having sole control over what is and isn't available. Of course, this is un-workable as uf_josse shows. The disgruntled will just set up their own dictatorships, which will continue the process of disgruntlement...

Although un-workable, doesn't the concept ring a bell somewhere? One person saying yes or no to changes... Hme...

Over at AAA;
"Ive got nothing against FM/DM modding, as long as it's the right people who are doing it, MrJolly for example.
If, and I say this on the very very outside chance, if FM/DM models are tweeked, I think it would be a good idea to have only MrJolly perform them. That way we would be pretty safe against a, lets say FW-190Z-17-XFO4 of the empire from star wars . And we would have peace of mind to know that the modding of the FM/DM is in very good, dare I say professinal(?) hands.
Having said this, there's still the danger of cheating in online play. So im thinking that if the FM's are tweeked, couldnt the mod contain a script of somesort that stops the user of the mod from entering online games? Like a firewall or something else."

Here there is one solution offered, that of having some form of file protection included with the mod.

Is it just me...?

I'm sorry. Am I missing something? File protection for files that were originally protected, but are now hacked? I find that highly funny.

[DerAlte]

You know Billfish, I sometimes think that the "Modders" will try to crack, hack, or mod the patch just to see you have a heart attack.

Maybe, just maybe, if you would just shut the f*** up, they just might let you have your cake and eat it too. I just feel you have p*ssed enough people off with your ways and accusations that they will do it (and sad to say maybe even SoW) just to be spitefull. Did you ever think of that? No, I thought not.

BTW, your constent harrasment of 1C and Oleg Maddox's paying customers can get you in alot of legal trouble. If I remember correctly, driving away future and present PAYING customers is illegal in some European countries (in Germany at least). I think it would be for good of future sales of BOTH 1946 and SoW, that maybe 1C should think about a permanent ban for you. Some customers do not like being called cheaters and the such if they decide to use any mod, skins, missions that may be seen as a "hack, cheat, etc" by you.

Just give it a rest.


DerAlte

[Sunchaser]

Billfish, good to know the sky is going to fall a lot slower now.

You anti mod cashews almost had us convinced the sky was going to crush us all immediately.

I guess that since the online numbers are holding and the most vocal anti mod crew....you and a few others, cannot yet say:"SEE I TOLD YA SO!!", it is a good time to retreat to the "WELL IT AIN'T HAPPENED YET BUT IT WILL SOMEDAY, BE SURE!" defense.

Way to go.

[Billfish]

Originally Posted by DerAlte

........BTW, your constent harrasment of 1C and Oleg Maddox's paying customers can get you in alot of legal trouble. If I remember correctly, driving away future and present PAYING customers is illegal in some European countries (in Germany at least). I think it would be for good of future sales of BOTH 1946 and SoW, that maybe 1C should think about a permanent ban for you. Some customers do not like being called cheaters and the such if they decide to use any mod, skins, missions that may be seen as a "hack, cheat, etc" by you.

Well, I think you should make every effort to bring every legal ramification you are able to bear to impose maximum penalties to set an example around the globe....Naturally you are also more then welcome to start here and all other forums to insure my swift and unrecoverable exile....

On the other hand, I'm supposing that the decryption, alteration and redistribution of copyrighted product & trade secrets with clear deliberate malice as can easily be demonstrated via a simple walk-through on any forum would carry a greater financial consequence as well as the minor ramification on this and other forums solely here to support the designer, manufacturer & distributors product.

Then again, you might want to try your puerile pseudo-legal banter upon someone less experienced then I.

Spiteful on others part has little to do with it, that excuse simply an attempt to justify already established intentions into action.......as only a child acts contrary to defend against their wrongs....and we're not children here....are we?

K2

[jasonbirder]

On the other hand, I'm supposing that the decryption, alteration and redistribution of copyrighted product & trade secrets with clear deliberate malice as can easily be demonstrated via a simple walk-through on any forum would carry a greater financial consequence

Big words but hot air...what Software publisher would bring legal action against legitimate purchasers of their software purely for modification of their software for gameplay puposes?

Never going to happen...the furore amongst the software purchasing public would be enough to make Bill gates look like a well loved guy...

Also how would the software publisher be able to demonstrate they had suffered any financial loss if the distribution of modified files is amongst legitimate purchasers of the software...

Are there any examples of Software publishers taking any form of action at all against legitimate purchasers of their software for breach of the EULA?

Is the EULA legally enforcable or would it be considered a coercive agreement?

[DerAlte]

Originally Posted by Billfish

Well, I think you should make every effort to bring every legal ramification you are able to bear to impose maximum penalties to set an example around the globe....Naturally you are also more then welcome to start here and all other forums to insure my swift and unrecoverable exile....

On the other hand, I'm supposing that the decryption, alteration and redistribution of copyrighted product & trade secrets with clear deliberate malice as can easily be demonstrated via a simple walk-through on any forum would carry a greater financial consequence as well as the minor ramification on this and other forums solely here to support the designer, manufacturer & distributors product.

Then again, you might want to try your puerile pseudo-legal banter upon someone less experienced then I.

Spiteful on others part has little to do with it, that excuse simply an attempt to justify already established intentions into action.......as only a child acts contrary to defend against their wrongs....and we're not children here....are we?

K2

Oh,it is not "pseudo-legal" as you say. If Ubisoft decided to, I am sure they could cause alot of trouble for the sites that let you spit your venom around. There is a big differance of trying to maybe win in court for a questionable EULA (that most European and American courts say is not legal or binding) and hurting the sales of a product, present or future one.

But you must be a lawyer or something. Does it not get lonely on that soapbox of yours?

Yawn, the sky is falling, the sky is falling. We know. As we say in Germany, "ja ja", every German knows what that really means.


DerAlte

[Ratsack]

Originally Posted by Billfish

Even dail-up not as limiting as it used to be. There is a ...

All this "i'm so social I sit on the forums all day, yet when it comes to my play I become an anti-social recluse" is simply hogwash.

K2

That's all nice speculation, but none of it addresses the issue that the onliners are here - online - and we see these polls and respond to them. I have personally run into players of this game in the real world, who do not play on line, and have no idea that this that or the other forum even exists.

I, for instance, did not know about the Ubi forum at all for the first few years of my IL-2 playing experience. I was mercifully free of the knowledge of the trolls and spammers that inhabit that place. Any so called 'poll' over there would've missed me, even as the others do now because I don't deign to respond.

It is pure fantasy to suppose that this tiny little bunch of bickering trolls represents the player base that allows Oleg to make a living. Do the maths.

cheers,
Ratsack