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[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by Skoshi Tiger

Why would you want an aluminium bat? Wouldn't wood be much more appropriate? Personally I would have choosen a nice (English) willow cricket bat. It takes a bit more skill but when hit em' edge on you get the force concentrated in a much smaller area!

"an elegant weapon for a more civilized age"

Cheers!

lol yeah, a cricket bat can be used like a Roman gladius

I wonder how long it will take before we'll need a license for a bat..

[Wolf_Rider]

as I was saying...

[nearmiss]

This thread is pretty well done. It amazes me how people can keep re-hashing the same discussion over and over.

Regardless, as long as it's on the topic I guess we'll wait until every living soul on this forum as posted here.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

This thread is pretty well done. It amazes me how people can keep re-hashing the same discussion over and over.

Regardless, as long as it's on the topic I guess we'll wait until every living soul on this forum as posted here.

well I'm still waiting for an explanation from Winny here..

[Vengeanze]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

This thread is pretty well done. It amazes me how people can keep re-hashing the same discussion over and over.

Regardless, as long as it's on the topic I guess we'll wait until every living soul on this forum as posted here.

You know, if u close it then two others will pop up screaming CENSURSHIP!!

I'm done here. Think I managed to convert a couple of souls with my eloquent argumentation.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by Vengeanze

You know, if u close it then two others will pop up screaming CENSURSHIP!!

I'm done here. Think I managed to convert a couple of souls with my eloquent argumentation.

you did, gonna go home and dismantle my IKEA stuff looking for microphones now lol

[Vengeanze]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

you did, gonna go home and dismantle my IKEA stuff looking for microphones now lol

[winny]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

Anger is a dangerous feeling, it's instinct, we can't really get rid of it, but we can control it. I haven't said I don't want to listen to your opinion cos I want more guns, I am here to listen, so please, explain me why you don't want more guns in the UK.

Very patronising, thanks.
Basically I just don't want more lethal weapons in the UK. I'm quite happy with the current laws.
I have kids, It's a personal choice, I've not been swayed by anyone.
I'm not particularly anti gun, just happy with the way things are.

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

...again, seriously? It's about what the Government is trying to do to you, not just guns. They can't face a problem, they take it off you. Ever wonder why, with all the issues related to alcohol and the billions it costs us every year to sort problems out, they don't do anything to control that?

I'm very aware of what the government is trying to do, thanks. They are regulating firearms. I'm not affected by it so I'm not bothered.

Alcohol? Did prohibition not happen in your world?
If you want to see democracy in action try banning Alcohol in the UK...
-Never gonna happen-

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

yes, you do, it'd be interesting to know why, cos you've been at gun point and it shocked you? Cos if that's the case all you need to do then is grow a pair, sonny... but I'm sure it's not the case, and you have valid arguments against firearms.

Grow a pair sonny? Who do you think you're talking to? That's just offensive and patronising and takes no account of who I am. You are very judgemental.

I wasn't particularly shocked no.
1st time it happend I was in a Post office, I was a customer, armed robbers came in, they had a sawn off, I just did what I was told.

2nd time was an attempted mugging. I didn't get shot, he didn't get my wallet. I think I broke his jaw but I didn't hang around to find out.

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

sure, you're entitled to your opinion like anybody else, but since this is a forum, where people exchange opinion, be ready to meet people whose opinion may differ from yours, and be ready to give valid arguments to defend your position, otherwise, you should better STFU.

What? Are you serious? The reson we are havng this argument is because I posted an opinion that differed to yours. Which you then jumped all over me for! I've been patronised, disrespected, called names, had my intelligence questioned all by you because I dont agree with you. You should read your own advice. You are the very definition of hypocrisy. I never once said you were wrong. I just accept your opinion and carry on with mine.

I don't see why I should have to defend and justify my position on this to someone I don't know. I'm entitled to my opinion.

As for freedom, what freedom? there are 100's of laws you must abide to.
Do we just change or get rid of the ones you don't like? Why not get rid of them all then we'll all be 100% free.

Guns or no Guns is a question of preference, not right and wrong. You have tried to turn it into right and wrong and have been pretty offensive too.

You would not act this way if I was in the room.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by winny

Very patronising, thanks.
Basically I just don't want more lethal weapons in the UK. I'm quite happy with the current laws.

I'm sorry man, but guns are still legally imported in the UK everyday.

I have kids, It's a personal choice, I've not been swayed by anyone.
I'm not particularly anti gun, just happy with the way things are.

so is it because you're afraid for your children? I'm afraid for my children too, but it's not fear of firearms, they're the last of my concerns, I'm afraid of the shallowness of our society, of paedos, of poor education, of wrong values.

I'm sorry, and I'm not taking the mick, it's still not clear why you're against firearms.

I'm very aware of what the government is trying to do, thanks. They are regulating firearms. I'm not affected by it so I'm not bothered.

No they haven't, in fact they haven't changed a thing after the Cumbria shooting, which was quite surprising to me actually. Please if you have time and really care about the topic, spend some time reading the regulations.

Alcohol? Did prohibition not happen in your world?
If you want to see democracy in action try banning Alcohol in the UK...
-Never gonna happen-

I am not talking about prohibitionism, I'm talking about a campaign like the one against smoke, why doesn't that happen? Please answer to this, because as a non-British citizen I struggle to understand the self-destructive attitude of binge drinking. Brits have one of the most driven and effective ways of gathering together and make things happen, but why it happens only for certain things? Alcohol has done way more victims than any gun massacre, still it's acceptable in our society.

Grow a pair sonny? Who do you think you're talking to? That's just offensive and patronising and takes no account of who I am. You are very judgemental.

it was meant as a provocation, as I'm sure you know. I knew it wasn't the case, and wasn't actually directed at you, if you got offended I apologise.

I wasn't particularly shocked no.
1st time it happend I was in a Post office, I was a customer, armed robbers came in, they had a sawn off, I just did what I was told.

2nd time was an attempted mugging. I didn't get shot, he didn't get my wallet. I think I broke his jaw but I didn't hang around to find out.

I had similar experiences, plus my time in the Army, when I've been under fire in several occasions (once even under friendly fire, by far the most frustrating experience). It's life, and one wishes it would never happen, or if it did, that you can tell the story, but again, it has no connection with my will to possess firearms, I could have been in a life threatening situation under a knife, a bat or 20 folks, it doesn't matter the mean, it's the perpetrators.

One of the things I've done in my life and that I'm very grateful for is following a Krav Maga course, and I (unfortunately) put it to use in 3 different situations. Of these three, only one was under a firearm threat, and I've surprised myself on how quickly I reacted. I was at a light with my window down, a guy runs towards me as he was crossing the road and points a gun at my face shouting me to get out: I raised my hands, quickly grabbed the pistol and pushed it towards my windscreen, jamming it with his hand between my window and the windscreen, then moved forward until he let go.

I drove to the closest police station, got in and handed what I only then realised was a blank firing gun.

We all have our horror stories, that's why I prefer living in the quiet British countryside.

What? Are you serious? The reson we are havng this argument is because I posted an opinion that differed to yours. Which you then jumped all over me for! I've been patronised, disrespected, called names, had my intelligence questioned all by you because I dont agree with you. You should read your own advice. You are the very definition of hypocrisy. I never once said you were wrong. I just accept your opinion and carry on with mine.

nananah, look back man, look how you delivered your opinion.

I don't see why I should have to defend and justify my position on this to someone I don't know. I'm entitled to my opinion.

Are you really telling me you can't even defend your own opinion to a stranger?

As for freedom, what freedom? there are 100's of laws you must abide to.
Do we just change or get rid of the ones you don't like? Why not get rid of them all then we'll all be 100% free.

the good old saying "my freedom ends where yours begins" still applies, the society we live in is just the referee for this match called life.

Guns or no Guns is a question of preference, not right and wrong. You have tried to turn it into right and wrong and have been pretty offensive too.

You would not act this way if I was in the room.

there is right and wrong in everything, it's all about validating the two sides. And I would still defend my ideas, being in the same room would actually help, since I find communicating via forum extremely frustrating and mutilated in terms of quality. We might argue, we might agree or agree to disagree, who knows. I can come to Manchester (my fav pub is there) and talk with you about guns, aeroplanes and rights, but I'd rather talk about these things than pretend it's all ok in our society.

You still haven't told me why a Spitfire is better than an Enfield.

[von Pilsner]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

there is right and wrong in everything, it's all about validating the two sides.

Many problems do have more than one solution and not all answers are correct for everyone.

If the guy likes the current laws in the UK then he likes them, it does not make his opinion wrong or bad.