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[Vengeanze]

Originally Posted by timej31

Batter up!

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20...ment-s-failure

Cute.

[TomcatViP]

Originally Posted by SNAFU

Cross-reading the thread, looking for some monday amusement, I thank some of you to remind me of what happy enviroment I am living.

A shooting here and there, someone occasionally stabbed in the train, a violant robbery (experience that myself, I am today quite happy I didn´t have easy access to a gun, these days, after being released from hopital - I am not sure if I wouldn´t have used it in revenge), but afterall I do not have to live in a constant state of fear, that I only feel safe, while wearing a gun.

Serving my time during the Kosovo-conflict, I spent enough time wearing guns and rifles in public, day and night, even while shopping. That days I experienced that some usually nice, kind fellows, started to act strange over the time. I thought that the given power corrupted their character and they were somewhat different, while wearing these guns - and switched to normal again, as soon as the weapons, where locked safe again.

Anyhow, the day I would only feel safe in my enviroment with a gun, I would pack all my belongings into my sailing boat a leave. As some of you are talking about freedom, there is no such thing - only the big streams and seas of this world.

So do you really feel that you live a free world, if this world makes you believe, you are safer, with the power of a gun?

+1

by the way your sentence "only the big streams and seas of this world" could be turned into : Only the big bubbling clouds and clear skies of this world ...

[SNAFU]

Well, I first thought so and started my glider-plane license when I was 14, until I found out, that you need at least 40+ guys on the ground, for the one guy flying and that you cannot let go a fart, without asking for permisssion or a detailed plan. That wasn´t the freedom I was looking for and I quit after 4 years, just when I was about to make my third wing and turned back to where I came from - the waters...

[Sternjaeger II]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14514429

"What we've witnessed this week has been British policing at its absolute best" really?! It's obvious that someone somewhere must have lost a couple of episodes in the saga of modern society..

[Hood]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

That's a bit of a generalisation man, you have to trade some of your market with the outside world to survive on this planet. Come to think of it, it's the United Kingdom who's actually racking up money from other countries, thanks to the Tertiary industry. You shut down most of your industries, leaving a lot of people unemployed, your agriculture is only marginally capable of keeping up with the demands of a spoiled market like the one we have (ANY kind of fruit available all time through the year, do we REALLY need that?).. where's the wealth of the UK coming from then? Banking, Blue Chip, research, Services.. you've changed the face of a nation that built its strength on the industrial revolution, with little or no concern for the changes that it would have cost to the population. It's a choice, like many other countries did, the point is how much did the average population have voice in this change?

A slight misunderstanding. I mean that the UK is now providing a lot of money for no gain in order to prevent other European countries going bankrupt in the current Euro crisis eg Spain, Greece, Italy, Portugal, Ireland etc. Trade is very important of course and the change in the UK's industry has its basis in many factors not all of which can be controlled within the UK's borders or by its electorate eg the rise of cheap manufacturing in the far east.

Hood

[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by timej31

Batter up!

"sales of baseball bats in the U.K. suddenly increased by over 6,000 percent last week"

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20...ment-s-failure

"Where are the police? They are overwhelmed by the volume and brazenness of the outbreaks. They are also constrained in their response by what appears on the surface to be modern Western restraint, but is in fact a symptom of the modern evasion of social realities that we lamely call “political correctness.” The British welfare system has bred personal responsibility out of the class that has become dependent on it; and the shortsighted immigration system has failed to integrate the foreign communities it has created within."

the author nailed it




and out of the lack of personal responsibiities comes the need for others (higher ups) to be responsible for them... the beginnings of the Orwellian state by stealth

[winny]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

uh, that's a safe assumption: you're basically saying that the majority is right. I'm sure you might have heard of Nazi Germany at some point in your life.. I'm surprised I'm even discussing the sense of democracy really, it's obvious I give people's education for granted..

Where did I say I was right? There is no wrong or right in this.. It's about what people, and what I want. I'm expressing my opinion and I cannot be wrong. It's not a matter of fact it's a matter of opinion.

Democracy lets people with different opinions vote for what they want.
Remember, you're the one who told me that because I disagreed with you I was un-democratic - It is not me who has a distroted sense of democracy it is you.

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

That's good for you, but in a democracy, even minorities have their right to express their opinion. You're thinking more along the lines of an enlightened regime, which is what we're living in at the moment.

...are you for real? You say I have no understanding of democracy? I know that minorities are allowed to express thier opinion - It's a democracy so everyone can, Majority included.

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

..what are you supposed to mean with that? Is it another case of "I don't know how to answer so I'll shout them to STFU". My dear keyboard hero, there was a time when you would be able to make such aggressive statements, bear the consequences of it (most likely a broken nose), then go home and learn from it. Nowadays you'd probably call the police and report the aggression, or do it from a pc, where you know you're safe and can get the worst out with no consequences. You're the frustrated individual, not me. I can live in a world of guns and know how to behave/handle them, you can't simply cos you've been told it's bad (unless it's Northern Ireland, or Afghanistan, or Iraq) and obey like a good sheep.

What is your problem?

Because I don't agree with you you assume I'm a sheep? I said STFU because you called me "selfish, discriminatory and anti-democratic" and I am none of these things and it made me angry.

I am just expressing my personal view and I decided I wouldn't like more relaxed gun laws in the UK. I like it as it is.

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

I don't need to, I'm fine with the possibilities I'm given at the moment.
Once again, your beloved government just had the courage to propose to shut down social networks in case other riots happen.. don't you really see what they're trying to do to your freedom??

Here you go again.. what have guns and twitter got to do with each other?


I have the freedom to not want more guns in the UK - You are a hypocrite.

No matter how much you dislike it.. I don't want more guns in the UK.

Now leave me to the freedom of my own opinion. Like I already said if it's that important to you then start campaigning for mre relaxed gun laws.
Go to your MP.
You'll find that you are in the minority, and the way democracy currently works that means you just have to deal with it.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by Hood

A slight misunderstanding. I mean that the UK is now providing a lot of money for no gain in order to prevent other European countries going bankrupt in the current Euro crisis eg Spain, Greece, Italy, Portugal, Ireland etc. Trade is very important of course and the change in the UK's industry has its basis in many factors not all of which can be controlled within the UK's borders or by its electorate eg the rise of cheap manufacturing in the far east.

Hood

Well it's no different from what the US did with the Marshall Plan, creating economic submission. It might look stupid to the average citizen, but it's the ABC of speculative finance.

The change of the UK industry is a mystery to me: take the automobile industry, yes, you never really made anything impressive out of it (apart for one or two luxury brands), but with the improvement of technologies and with the foreign know-how, you could have kept a strong independence on that. The problem is that, as usual, British engineering is a bit too much revolutionary, and apart for one off stuff like the Mini, you came up with abortion like the Robin Reliant.

but I digress, I think that considering the actual situation, the UK economy is one of the strongest and less handicapped of the planet (Germany and France could probably be better, but they're crippled by the Euro).

[Skoshi Tiger]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

"Where are the police? They are overwhelmed by the volume and brazenness of the outbreaks. They are also constrained in their response by what appears on the surface to be modern Western restraint, but is in fact a symptom of the modern evasion of social realities that we lamely call “political correctness.” The British welfare system has bred personal responsibility out of the class that has become dependent on it; and the shortsighted immigration system has failed to integrate the foreign communities it has created within."

the author nailed it

Why would you want an aluminium bat? Wouldn't wood be much more appropriate? Personally I would have choosen a nice (English) willow cricket bat. It takes a bit more skill but when hit em' edge on you get the force concentrated in a much smaller area!

"an elegant weapon for a more civilized age"

Cheers!

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by winny

Where did I say I was right? There is no wrong or right in this.. It's about what people, and what I want. I'm expressing my opinion and I cannot be wrong. It's not a matter of fact it's a matter of opinion.

Democracy lets people with different opinions vote for what they want.
Remember, you're the one who told me that because I disagreed with you I was un-democratic - It is not me who has a distroted sense of democracy it is you.

you're completely missing my point, I don't know whether you don't get it or you dont want to get it.

...are you for real? You say I have no understanding of democracy? I know that minorities are allowed to express thier opinion - It's a democracy so everyone can, Majority included.

same as above.

What is your problem?

Because I don't agree with you you assume I'm a sheep? I said STFU because you called me "selfish, discriminatory and anti-democratic" and I am none of these things and it made me angry.

if you can motivate why you don't want more guns in the UK with valid points then fair enough, but if you can't and just blurt it out like that, then I'm afraid you are part of the ovine category.

Anger is a dangerous feeling, it's instinct, we can't really get rid of it, but we can control it. I haven't said I don't want to listen to your opinion cos I want more guns, I am here to listen, so please, explain me why you don't want more guns in the UK.

I am just expressing my personal view and I decided I wouldn't like more relaxed gun laws in the UK. I like it as it is.

Well neither do I, I don't want more relaxed gun laws, in fact I want stricter ones! That would allow people that are deemed capable and responsible enough to handle a gun to have all the guns they want, and rest assured that they won't make any difference to your life.

Here you go again.. what have guns and twitter got to do with each other?

...again, seriously? It's about what the Government is trying to do to you, not just guns. They can't face a problem, they take it off you. Ever wonder why, with all the issues related to alcohol and the billions it costs us every year to sort problems out, they don't do anything to control that?

I have the freedom to not want more guns in the UK - You are a hypocrite.

yes, you do, it'd be interesting to know why, cos you've been at gun point and it shocked you? Cos if that's the case all you need to do then is grow a pair, sonny... but I'm sure it's not the case, and you have valid arguments against firearms.

No matter how much you dislike it.. I don't want more guns in the UK.

It's your feud, not mine, I don't care if you want more guns, less guns, daisies or pink elephants. I know what I want, it's a Government that gives trust to its citizens and doesnt play big brother with us lot.

Now leave me to the freedom of my own opinion. Like I already said if it's that important to you then start campaigning for mre relaxed gun laws.
Go to your MP.
You'll find that you are in the minority, and the way democracy currently works that means you just have to deal with it.

sure, you're entitled to your opinion like anybody else, but since this is a forum, where people exchange opinion, be ready to meet people whose opinion may differ from yours, and be ready to give valid arguments to defend your position, otherwise, you should better STFU.

I don't get why a Spitfire is better than an Enfield anyway, but I'm sure you have an explanation for it.