UFO's and extra-terrestrial life

[CharveL]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

Catwoman would get jealous though...

now to the point... when you can't plausably discredit the fact you resort to ridiculing it. Its an age old human trait, indicating a closed mind.
Ridicule it all you want, but you'll never change the fact that the ball has to travel faster than the carriage in order to travel from the rear to front along the carriage's line of travel.

Respectfully, you speak of facts without actually determining them. It's a difficult concept to wrap your head around, I know it was for me too, but this concept you are using is hardly new, and Einstein himself postulated it in the early part of the century, and subsequently managed to explain it using his theory of special relativity.

At the time it wasn't possible to test this particular aspect (your example, not every aspect of his theories) experimentally but over the years it has.

If I'm going 50mph in a car and turn my headlights on, the beams still go the speed of light to the observer at the side of the road. The 4th dimension of time adjusts.

This will help explain it for you...

http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/hillis/hillis_p2.html

[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by CharveL

At the time it wasn't possible to test this particular aspect (your example, not every aspect of his theories) experimentally but over the years it has.

It has been shown also, that in some cases, particles can and do TFL
(Quantum Tunnelling)

Originally Posted by CharveL

If I'm going 50mph in a car and turn my headlights on, the beams still go the speed of light to the observer at the side of the road. The 4th dimension of time adjusts.

light travels faster than the headlights producing it do, so it makes it hard to understand yourthing there

[CharveL]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

It has been shown also, that in some cases, particles can and do TFL
(Tunnel Diode)




light travels faster than the headlights producing it do, so it makes it hard to understand yourthing there

Link for the Tunnel Diode effect please. If it's what I'm thinking of, there is no actual travelling FTL here but another effect I believe is called quantum tunneling.

The light from the headlights to an observer would not go any faster than the headlights themselves although to you (in the car) it may appear so. Time, in this sense is different for the observer than yourself.

Read the article or do your own googling and you will get a better explanation than from me.

[Wolf_Rider]

Apologies Sternjaeger, a bit sharp yes, but not directed totally to you. It was more a statement on the "consensus/ heretic" thing which has plagued the world since Adam was a boy.... the catwoman jealousy was in direct reply though

Originally Posted by CharveL

Link for the Tunnel Diode effect please. If it's what I'm thinking of, there is no actual travelling FTL here but another effect I believe is called quantum tunneling.

yes, you are correct there (post amended and no more Coopers for me tonight )

Originally Posted by CharveL

The ight from the headlights to an observer would not go any faster than the headlights themselves although to you (in the car) it may appear so.

(I believe you mean 'L'ight - point taken )

correct in that the headlights aren't travelling as fast as the light they are outputting and we agree (it seems) that the viewport of the observer does have effect on that which is observed

Originally Posted by CharveL

Time, in this sense is different for the observer than yourself.

the thing about time is; a (us) 3 dimensional person cannot understand the 4th dimension, any more than a 2 dimensional critter can understand the 3rd dimension.

I'll explain it this way: all we see/ understand of the 4th dimesnion is as a shadow of what that dimension is. eg draw a cube on a sheet of paper (2 dimensional x / y that paper is for this purpose). Now try to explain what height is (Z) to that which has no concept of "up" to explain what a cube is.

Originally Posted by CharveL

Read the article or do your own googling and you will get a better explanation than from me.

In the 5th dimension, gravity isn't valid

Originally Posted by bongodriver

equal and opposite reaction, the throw of the ball will create just enough opposite force to slow the train enough so the balls travel is never faster than light.

EOR plays out in the shoulder and hips... even if some made it through, the ball still travels from the rear to the front of the carriage

try again

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

EOR plays out in the shoulder and hips...

Which transfer the force to the train... Bongo nailed it.

[flyingblind]

Wouldn't a car travelling at the speed of light and the light from its headlamps simply arrive at their destination at the same time?

[bongodriver]

Yep...just like the ball and train.

[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by flyingblind

Wouldn't a car travelling at the speed of light and the light from its headlamps simply arrive at their destination at the same time?

in considering that the car would have to get up to speed, after leaving Point A, and then slow down at the other end, before arriving at Point B... it could be safe to say no.

[DayGlow]

[Robotic Pope]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

in considering that the car would have to get up to speed, after leaving Point A, and then slow down at the other end, before arriving at Point B... it could be safe to say no.

That's beside the point. The fact is that the light from the car and the light from the car's headlights would reach the destination at the same time. But to the driver the light from the cars headlights would also be traveling away from the car at the speed of light, for the same reason that the person throwing the ball in the carrige can see the person they are throwing the ball to. So the time of the people traveling is slowed down to make this posible. The ball doesn't travel faster than light. It travels at the same speed as it does when thrown when the carrige is stationary.