IL2 and Sound Modding

[123-Wulf-123]

I'm still waiting for the proof that hackers are not flying online in coops/wars/DF servers using all of the many advantages the hack enables them to use.

As I mainly fly COOPS or Warclouds servers I tend to keep away from the main culprits in the DF servers BECAUSE of the the OBVIOUS hacking that is going on in many of them at the minute.

As I see the pro-hack types have simply chosen to ignore my last post and not address any of the issues(too tricky to deal with eh?) I raised, this is jus a gentle reminder....


still waiting guys.........


in case you simply missed it here are the main points:

The hackers as usual have got this point about "proof" arse about face.

1. They have to prove to the legal community that no-one is altering the FM/DM files (which believe me is EASY to do).

2. They have to prove that no-one is "tweaking" the FMs just enough to give them a distinct advantage which is difficult to both see and prove.

3. They have to prove that no-one is flying with no cockpit and or 6dof in cockpit on servers.

4. They have to prove that no-one is making friendly a/c camouflaged and enemy flourescent.


5. How many more of the hacks open to the hackers shall I post?


6. No-one has "proven" ANYTHING about the EULA other than it is a legally compliant article, there are NO court appointed judges in this forum with the legal authority to make ANY judgement about legally binding contracts.

7. It is not for the legal members of the community to prove ANYTHING, it is for the illegal hackers to prove their arguments that their hack does not enable them to cheat PERIOD.


I see they are now trying to muddy the waters further by posting more threads demanding proof, maybe they should actually post the proof to the questions above first and some of us might take them a bit more seriously(not).

[SlipBall]

This was a hot thread this weekend...Evgeny will be doing alot of reading come morning....I bet Monday's are not his favorite

[123-Wulf-123]

Well considering some of the disgusting personal attacks by certain pro-hackers I can't for the life of me see any further reason to attempt debate, mainly because they simply seem to have forgotten to answer any of the points raised, by many members here.

They are in a corner, they know it, and like rats they will attack anyone , frankly the longer it goes on the less and less credible they become.

Over and out.

[CKY_86]

From what ive seen Wulf, most of the attacks have come from the anti-hackers side, mainly Baron.

This is a track I recorded of me flying on the RCAF-FB server In a bf-109G2 with a 250 bomb slung underneeth. This track is to try an proove that although I use the sound mod, as well as others, (full list below this sentance), I didnt use it to hack. To be honest I cant see how you could/can hack with the sound mod. Someone please explain.

List of mods I use:

Sound mod.
Smoke pack.
nav lights an smoke pack
Longer visibility for smoke an fires.

Link to track:
http://rapidshare.com/files/77059704/online.zip.html

[SlipBall]

Originally Posted by CKY_86

From what ive seen Wulf, most of the attacks have come from the anti-hackers side, mainly Baron.

This is a track I recorded of me flying on the RCAF-FB server In a bf-109G2 with a 250 bomb slung underneeth. This track is to try an proove that although I use the sound mod, as well as others, (full list below this sentance), I didnt use it to hack. To be honest I cant see how you could/can hack with the sound mod. Someone please explain.

List of mods I use:

Sound mod.
Smoke pack.
nav lights an smoke pack
Longer visibility for smoke an fires.

Link to track:
http://rapidshare.com/files/77059704/online.zip.html

I think that the average Joe using the sound mod is not looking to cheat anyone, but at the same time, other's are! Those who have taken the time to create their own mods, and maybe share with friends. Now I'm sure that"s a very small number in the sceme of on-line players, but still, they are out there. Enough to ruin the on-line game for anyone that falls victim....look at Ivan's experience

[CKY_86]

Originally Posted by SlipBall

I think that the average Joe using the sound mod is not looking to cheat anyone, but at the same time, other's are! Those who have taken the time to create their own mods, and maybe share with friends. Now I'm sure that"s a very small number in the sceme of on-line players, but still, they are out there. Enough to ruin the on-line game for anyone that falls victim....look at Ivan's experience

I agree with you. The larger of the majority don't use the sound mod to gain the upper hand in online play. And as you say, there are other do will, which again I agree with whole hartedlly. But then again there were people modding an hacking, then using these hacks in online play long before the sound mod ever came around. What's the differance between then & now?

[SlipBall]

Originally Posted by CKY_86

I agree with you. The larger of the majority don't use the sound mod to gain the upper hand in online play. And as you say, there are other do will, which again I agree with whole hartedlly. But then again there were people modding an hacking, then using these hacks in online play long before the sound mod ever came around. What's the differance between then & now?

Probably not much at all....maybe a a few dozen more actors in the mix. I have said that lots of fun can still be had on-line. People just need to play, and enjoy it while they wait for sow

[Lo0n]

Originally Posted by 123-Wulf-123

Well considering some of the disgusting personal attacks by certain pro-hackers I can't for the life of me see any further reason to attempt debate, mainly because they simply seem to have forgotten to answer any of the points raised, by many members here.

They are in a corner, they know it, and like rats they will attack anyone , frankly the longer it goes on the less and less credible they become.

Over and out.

think you are referring to the anti modders with that sentiment... if you were shown a clean track and told that there was cheating in it, when there was in fact none, you would still come away with a bulletpointed list of cheating seen it in wouldn't you

[Lo0n]

Originally Posted by 123-Wulf-123

7. It is not for the legal members of the community to prove ANYTHING, it is for the illegal hackers to prove their arguments that their hack does not enable them to cheat PERIOD.


I see they are now trying to muddy the waters further by posting more threads demanding proof, maybe they should actually post the proof to the questions above first and some of us might take them a bit more seriously(not).

make allegations then you have to prove them, the burden of proof rests with whomever makes an allegation. modders have posted how they have tried out checkruntime=2 servers and have been blocked. so bearing that in mind, what could they post?

and as far as personal attakcs go, the only one i've seen is the "i'll nuke ur pc" a few pages back. for what it's worth, it has always been possible to cheat in vanilla il-2 by simply fiddling with the sound setting to get that sound radar thing...

[Abbeville-Boy]

in the united states, bonehead is a complement, now if he had called him a "meathead" well thats another matter