IL2 Expansion coming in September???

[robtek]

Well, some people here dont know the value of honest work, it seems.
Spending 20, with popcorn and soda, 30 bucks for a evening in the cinema with the madam is ok, but spending 30 bucks for at least 30 hours fun is too expensive.
The values are distorted, or somebody is jealous that someone might earn some money with this "incomplete, broken software".

[jimbop]

Fair points but relative to the cost of the base game, which is the real comparator, it is a lot. Again, is there a cheaper dl only version?

[jamesdietz]

I'd settle for more FPS & the Ai aircraft now as flyables..

[adonys]

Originally Posted by robtek

Well, some people here dont know the value of honest work, it seems.
Spending 20, with popcorn and soda, 30 bucks for a evening in the cinema with the madam is ok, but spending 30 bucks for at least 30 hours fun is too expensive.
The values are distorted, or somebody is jealous that someone might earn some money with this "incomplete, broken software".

you've spoken without thinking, mate.

unfortunately for your words, I am working in a game development company, for almost 10 years by now, as lead game-designer, senior-producer and project manager. don't tell me I don't know what game development means, or honest work.

i think the real ones not knowing the values of our honest work are the ones asking those prices for almost in-existent return value, like most of today's game DLC's, or 3rd party addons like this one, and claiming it's a "fair" price for their work.

PS: and now, regarding your "comparison", it seems you don't know your values in other domains neither.. 30 bucks for an evening in the cinema with madam will also bring you sex (a thing most men will do lots of things to get, and a thing no il2cod addon can't bring you ever) and also might bring you love, marriage, children and all the rest.. home alone again?!!

[robtek]

Originally Posted by adonys

........don't tell me I don't know what game development means, or honest work.

Thats not the same???

Originally Posted by adonys

........asking those prices for almost in-existent return value....

You are not to determine the value for this!!! The buyer/user is the only authority to determine the value it has for him!
This is no hardware where the value is more or less fixed.

Originally Posted by adonys

........and also might bring you love, marriage, children and all the rest..

And thats the point were it gets really expensive

Fun beside, what do you think the work of 4 - 5 People for 3 - 4 Months is worth?
Implemented the work was full time, 5 days a week.
Maybe around 60.000 €

And how many add-ons have to be sold for a net gain, say 2,50€/DVD (educated guess)
That would be about 24.000 copies, in a niche-market, with many people thinking like you.

Oh yes, they will get rich beyond belive.

Even if the net-gain were 10€ they must sell at least 6000 copies to get even before starting in the win-zone.

This isn't a self selling fps with millions of copies.

[furbs]

It doesn't matter how much their costs are, its the products worth that counts.

if somebody has to climb up a extra tall tree to get a apple and everyone else climbs a normal tree, he cant charge more for his apple.

its still a apple.

They are people making great campaigns for free, FREE!

If these campaigns are worth the money they will succeed, if they are not then they wont.

[jimbop]

Spot on furbs. 'Worth' in a market context is exactly what you can persuade people to pay for something, not what it cost you to make it. If it costs you more to produce than you can charge then you either a) take a loss, b) don't make it in the first place or c) figure out how to make it more efficiently. Not rocket science.

I suspect these guys should provide a download version (i.e. no boxed stuff) for a reduced cost to capture the guys who just aren't going to pay full price. Why not? It wouldn't cost much more to implement and would bring in more revenue. Charge 10 euro for the download version and you will get a lot more people buying it and that's 10 euro they wouldn't have had otherwise.

[adonys]

actually, he can, but no sane person will pay the price for it, unless is a very special apple. which is not the case.

fanboism seems to drown common-sense and kill reasonable judgement on these days..

[furbs]

Maybe if they post a video showing the "work arounds for the AI and bugs and show the special features " then maybe its worth more than a normal apple.

[SNAFU]

Are you guys always arguing about the value and price of your fuel at the gas station or the real value of your shoes which are made for 5USD in China and sold to you for 150 and start to argue with the salesmen, because the other shop offered similar shoes for 120?

A discussion is nice as long as you are not talking in circles and repeating the broken disc all over again. It`s you choice, take it or leave it - the market sets the price.

BTW: As long as CoD has not something close to the RoF campaign I will not even look into any CoD campaign, but others have other priorities. .