crash at duxford today [2011]

[SEE]

'agism' is just another form of bigotry, what makes Zorins comments so laughable is the total lack of logic.

It wouldn't have mattered wether the P51 pilot was 20 or 100, the Skyraider would still have connected.

At 100ft above the ground you have to make a pretty damned fast decision regards saving your life at the expense of a plane or attempt to regain control in the certain knowledge that if its the wrong decision your family and friends will be attending your funeral.

Originally Posted by SEE

'agism' is just another form of bigotry, what makes Zorins comments so laughable is the total lack of logic.

It wouldn't have mattered wether the P51 pilot was 20 or 100, the Skyraider would still have connected.

Yes but the 20 year old would only have had 3 years general flight experience and limited mustang flight experience to learn to deal with that sort of problem, were as the 60 year old could have had a possible 40 years.
I know which i would favour anyday.

[swiss]

Originally Posted by SEE

'agism' is just another form of bigotry, what makes Zorins comments so laughable is the total lack of logic.

It wouldn't have mattered wether the P51 pilot was 20 or 100, the Skyraider would still have connected.

At 100ft above the ground you have to make a pretty damned fast decision regards saving your life at the expense of a plane or attempt to regain control in the certain knowledge that if its the wrong decision your family and friends will be attending your funeral.

And the fact, that age as a pure number means nothing.

I would have no problem finding 64year olds who can beat Zorin in any athletic discipline he can think of.

Of course you'll have no problems finding 40years old human wrecks either.

[bongodriver]

I can't believe this went down the 'age' road, the 64 year old pilot didn't cause the accident, the 64 year old had the presence of mind to act when a younger guy might have been wetting his pants, the 64 year old hit the tailplane on the way out and slammed into the ground under an emergency chute canopy (higher rate of descent) and was just bruised, that old man has my full respect.

[Al Schlageter]

Originally Posted by kristorf

Found this picture
A mate who restores warbirds thinks the control cables were severed

Have your mate look up where the control cables run on the P-51D. He might change his mind.

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Al Schlageter

Have your mate look up where the control cables run on the P-51D. He might change his mind.

I doubt he would, that spot just behind the radiator outlet is where the cables run, and from the pictures you can see thats where it took the damage.

[Ze-Jamz]

Originally Posted by BigPickle

i just hope they change their setup and make it safer rather than cram too much into too shorter time slots.

I have to say it was the one thing i didnt like, actually there were 2

1: You have airplanes taxiing past you after their flight while others are doing theirs, you want to hear what a lot of birds sound like in flight but in a lot of cases the sound is drowned out by aircraft taxiing in front of you which is pretty much the whole length of where spectators stand so it affects everyone

and

2: please commentators be quiet when aircraft are doing flybys, it seems that they are only quiet when its infront of the tower and forget that the spectators stand goes along a 300/400m stretch which have speakers all along it, if youve got a speaker anywhere near you, you tend to spend most of the time hoping they are not going to speak when you see your favorite bird making a dive..

this is my second time and like youve suggested they need and i do hope they revise what there doing..all said though i had a great day

[Al Schlageter]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

I doubt he would, that spot just behind the radiator outlet is where the cables run, and from the pictures you can see thats where it took the damage.

You had better take a better look. The elevator cables run just above the longeron that runs the length of the fuselage and angle up from just behind the canopy towards the top of the fuselage just in front of the tail wheel. The rudder cables run just above the longeron and angle up slightly further aft and go to a mid point on the aft bulkhead.

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Al Schlageter

You had better take a better look. The elevator cables run just above the longeron that runs the length of the fuselage and angle up from just behind the canopy towards the top of the fuselage just in front of the tail wheel. The rudder cables run just above the longeron and angle up slightly further aft and go to a mid point on the aft bulkhead.

and you need to wake up and smell the coffe, the impact was serious enough to rip a wing off a skyraider....do you really believe the damage was light?, it doesn't matter if the cables run higher in the fuselage, the internal structures like bulkheads would likely crumple and cables often run through bulkheads this would at least bind the cables, if the bulkhead shears that could easily cut the cables.

[#402FOX]

Originally Posted by Zorin

Experience won't get you anywhere, lower reaction times and physical limitations are well known facts of age and should lead to a flight ban. Simple as that.

He should use his experience to train new pilots and not hang on it for vanity's sake. Plus, he wrote off several million dollars there... not very smart.

Zorin

So many things are wrong with your statements on age maybe when your older yourself you may understand