IL2 and Sound Modding

[jasonbirder]

And you think it was in all of the above!!! Learn your Flight Sim history my friend

[DerAlte]

Originally Posted by carguy_

Nobody said it is better/closer to reality.Vanilla is however the only version accepted by Oleg Maddox, the creator of IL2 Sturmovik game and supervisor of every patch/addon made for this game.All addons/modifications done against him are an offence to his personal laws as you modify his property.In some countries like the USA this is quite the question of being/not being an asshole but in othesrs it is theft.You also by creating/supporting hacks deny vanilla IL2 users ability to enjoy the game.You offend also their laws.

You can keep repeating the same stuff until you believe that hacks are any good or you are already there.Doesn`t change facts one bit.

This thread has 39 pages but only valid argument brought by modders was ONE and by ONE user namely jasonbirder.All vanilla users aruments stand strong.




Oh yeah thanks you`re making a good example of what role vanilla users on these boards have.Clear misinformation, inform according to facts.

So I reply

the online host CRT=2 setting does not work.It was tested.

Myth gone out the window.

You say "Vanilla" is the only version accepted by Maddox and 1C. "Vanilla" is the version direct out of the box. That means any and all addons, i.e. skins, missions and those great campaign addons (Ostfront, Wings over series) are not accepted? Have I read your logic right? This game started out with a limited "Modding" ability (see above examples).

As Ivan said, "this is getting better and better!" (Sorry if I quoted it wrong Ivan).



DerAlte

[Baron]

Originally Posted by DerAlte

You say "Vanilla" is the only version accepted by Maddox and 1C. "Vanilla" is the version direct out of the box. That means any and all addons, i.e. skins, missions and those great campaign addons (Ostfront, Wings over series) are not accepted? Have I read your logic right? This game started out with a limited "Modding" ability (see above examples).

As Ivan said, "this is getting better and better!" (Sorry if I quoted it wrong Ivan).



DerAlte

Yah, and u are grasping for straws.....u know EXACTLY what he means with "vanilla"

[crazyivan1970]

Originally Posted by DerAlte

As Ivan said, "this is getting better and better!" (Sorry if I quoted it wrong Ivan).
DerAlte

No mate, you quoted it right... but my quote doesnt go along with your post

I agree with carguy on pretty much on all points... But not commenting any further - as promised

[DerAlte]

Originally Posted by Baron

Yah, and u are grasping for straws.....u know EXACTLY what he means with "vanilla"

I don't understand. I am not "grasping for straws" (whatever that means). I just want to understand his logic, or maybe his lack of.

I am not for or against the "Mod Question". I do not loose sleep at night over this theme. I think some of you may do. Or at least kick your dog when a new mod comes out.

As the saying goes, " You are either a part of the solution, or part of the problem."

Ask yourself this, ( not just you, but all from both sides), which am I?


DerAlte

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by jasonbirder

One thing that is a fact is that every single other popular Combat Flight simulator has been the subject of extensive community and third party modification...
Every single other Combat Flight Simulator Community has embaced it, utilisied it and welcomed it...
Now i'm sure plenty of people will tell me that what applies in those games doesn't apply in IL2, that IL2 is completely unique and where every other Combat Flight Simulator has been improved by community/third party mods IL2 is being destroyed by it...
But really what is the difference...
IL2 is a Combat Flight Simulator like LOMAC and EECH
It has closed code like Falcon 4.0 and Janes F/A18
It is a world war 2 combat flight simulator like European Air War and Combat Flight Simulator 3
So what exactly sets it so far apart from all of those...

Originally Posted by SlipBall

Oh lets see, What's different?....Off the top of my head no permission was given to go and make/release the hacks

In order to answer that question all you have to do is go online to ASE or HL and see .... just how many people are flying those other sims mentioned that have " been the subject of extensive community and third party modification... " then ask yourself why that is.. and you will have your own answer in a nutshell... It is a shame that it had to be this way.. but it is what it is.

[SlipBall]

Right on Bearcat......those kids are too excited right now with their toys...to realize what it means for the future

[jasonbirder]

Thats because they aren't played online through ASE or Hyperlobby...
How many World of Warcraft games are there on Hyperlobby? None? Doesn't mean its not popular though does it?
Ive been playing Falcon 4.0 online in various versions for over 6 years...never once through Hyperlobby
Flight Simulation doesn't begin and end with Hyperlobby!
There is another world out there...Offline, Squadron based, Peer to Peer, Co-op missions...that make up the vast majority of play!

[stalkervision]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

In order to answer that question all you have to do is go online to ASE or HL and see .... just how many people are flying those other sims mentioned that have " been the subject of extensive community and third party modification... " then ask yourself why that is.. and you will have your own answer in a nutshell... It is a shame that it had to be this way.. but it is what it is.

Psss...Bearcat check out "Bunnie"


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[Sunchaser]

In order to answer that question all you have to do is go online to ASE or HL and see .... just how many people are flying those other sims mentioned that have " been the subject of extensive community and third party modification... " then ask yourself why that is.. and you will have your own answer in a nutshell... It is a shame that it had to be this way.. but it is what it is.

Could it be that the online functions of those other games suck?