Patience is a virtue...

Originally Posted by Chivas

Those very very bad developers should have told us not to buy their unfinished product, but it would have been counterproductive for EVERYONE. Atleast now there is a chance the new funds will finance further development as seems to be case at the moment. Yes we all could have waited until the sim was in better condition before we bought it, but without the added financing the sim would have shut down long before that happened. Consider it an investment that could net you another ten years of decent entertainment. The alternative is not good.

Sorry, but yet again this is just pure speculation.

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

Sorry, but yet again this is just pure speculation.

Lol really, tree your the king of speculation and now a massive hypocrite

[Pluto]

Originally Posted by the Dutchman

...that i lack,but fortunately i decided to wait with buying this sim,depending on the experiences that people share here.

Having said that there's something i must get of my chest;
Although i understand peoples (ongoing)frustration the way some of you are going about it is without any respect for the dev's,i'm afraid sometimes you guys are chasing away Luthier,i hope he doesn't take all your negative comments personal,Jezus!

You and ONLY you decided you had to be among the first buyers,right?
So maybe you shouldn't put all the blame elsewhere?
If you followed the development of CoD closely,you could have picked up the signs that it could become a difficult birth for times!

C'mon guys lighten up,take a break,and take a good look in the mirror!

... I have read a lot of crap here in this forum, but you really overtake them all with yours. Sorry. If I would work in my job like the guys who work for this project for 6 years now, I´d be fired long time ago! That is a fact and not meant as an insult to anyone, just in case somebody will feel upset about my answer again and I´m sure there will be 3 or 4. ( for sure all those brown-nosers who thank Luthier gushily each time they bring out a new patch, hahaha, ... )

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

Lol really, tree your the king of speculation and now a massive hypocrite

Well I hit the mark on most, but i will keep the 'King' bit.

[jimbop]

Originally Posted by Chivas

Those very very bad developers should have told us not to buy their unfinished product...

+1

Didn't bother to quote the rest since it was mostly rubbish. Even if you honestly believe this sort of deceit is acceptable it failed the ultimate commercial practice test in that it was hugely unintelligent. Consider what has happened to the previously highly-respected IL2 brand over the last few months and then tell me again that the release strategy was for the best.

Basically, the team had a certain amount of trust 'capital' to get them through the release (in one form or another) of what was unarguably a half-finished beta at best. Instead of spending that capital over time by being honest with the customer base and working through the final stages of release with the help of the community they blew it all in a single roll by lying about the state of the game to make money. Openess about the state of the game would have gone a long way toward redirecting anger from the state of the release toward useful discussion.

The reason there is no trust left in the bank is that the dev's view of the world is obvious all to see: truth, community trust and respect < $$$. And this is an extremely short-sighted equation.

I don't know whether contractual obligations meant that a paid beta release was impossible but at the very least the devs should have been honest with their customer base. I bet the reviews would have been more lenient, or possibly the game would not have been reviewed at all until it was actually ready, too.

Unfortunately, it seems as though few lessons have been learnt. The dev presence on the forums has all but disappeared resulting in the trust of the community in the dev team trending in the wrong direction. A decade of hard work pretty much blown, and for what?

Originally Posted by jimbop

+1

Didn't bother to quote the rest since it was mostly rubbish. Even if you honestly believe this sort of deceit is acceptable it failed the ultimate commercial practice test in that it was hugely unintelligent. Consider what has happened to the previously highly-respected IL2 brand over the last few months and then tell me again that the release strategy was for the best.

Basically, the team had a certain amount of trust 'capital' to get them through the release (in one form or another) of what was unarguably a half-finished beta at best. Instead of spending that capital over time by being honest with the customer base and working through the final stages of release with the help of the community they blew it all in a single roll by lying about the state of the game to make money. Openess about the state of the game would have gone a long way toward redirecting anger from the state of the release toward useful discussion.

The reason there is no trust left in the bank is that the dev's view of the world is obvious all to see: truth, community trust and respect < $$$. And this is an extremely short-sighted equation.

I don't know whether contractual obligations meant that a paid beta release was impossible but at the very least the devs should have been honest with their customer base. I bet the reviews would have been more lenient, or possibly the game would not have been reviewed at all until it was actually ready, too.

Unfortunately, it seems as though few lessons have been learnt. The dev presence on the forums has all but disappeared resulting in the trust of the community in the dev team trending in the wrong direction. A decade of hard work pretty much blown, and for what?

Excellent post +100

[jimbop]

Thanks Tree but i started off a bit strong. Apologies in advance, Chivas, since I understand where you're coming from regarding the necessity for release and funding.

Thats exactly the problem NO LONGIVITY, like the guys here saying the Dev's should use user made sound mods as stock. Hell no i want the sound engine fixed thank you, mods are a bonus not stock.

[carguy_]

Originally Posted by jimbop

The reason there is no trust left in the bank is that the dev's view of the world is obvious all to see: truth, community trust and respect < $$$. And this is an extremely short-sighted equation.

Excellent, just excellent.
You keep saying something about an equation and yet you keep buying the same Call of Duty bullshit every year. Yet when a very ambitious and passionate dev team needs money and releases a brand new product, you fire away like you never knew what a video game market is.
It is obvious that ppl like you need a reality check. 1C going only for the $$$? YOU JUST GOT A NEW FLYABLE PLANE FOR CHRIST SAKE - FOOOOOOOR FREE (Bf109E-1). No trust?! WHERE WERE YOU FROM 2001 THROUGH 2007?! We got so much stuff free that companies like MS/CAPCOM would EASILY make a brand new FULL RETAIL PRICE title out of it. But noooooooo. You payed 50 bucks and it aaaaaaal goes out the window because you feel cheated but DIDN`T take any time to actually analize what state SoW was in. You are full of it!

I don't know whether contractual obligations meant that a paid beta release was impossible but at the very least the devs should have been honest with their customer base. I bet the reviews would have been more lenient, or possibly the game would not have been reviewed at all until it was actually ready, too.

Yeah? How? What does your crystal ball tell you? BS.

Unfortunately, it seems as though few lessons have been learnt. The dev presence on the forums has all but disappeared resulting in the trust of the community in the dev team trending in the wrong direction. A decade of hard work pretty much blown, and for what?

Have you ever thought in what kind of trouble they are now? Have you ANY respect for another human being? They keep working 6-7 days a week but it still ain`t enough for you, huh?
Nah, but you want the dev team to sit on the forums all day. For what? Reading your stupidity? You figure it would be a better thing instead to WORK ON FIXING THE GAME?
And don`t wipe your face with the community. We are here, we support the devs. We keep reporting bugs, testing the patches, waiting patiently, posting CONSTRUCTIVE STUFF and lending them some money to continue working. WHY IS THIS SO COMPLICATED FOR YOU TO FIGURE OUT?!
Nah, those who help are the community. You are just a person who feels that moaning over a 50 buck video game is the best thing to do in your day.

[jimbop]

Carguy, the vast majority of my posts have been positive but saying that we shouldn't feel shafted over the state of the game just encourages similar behaviour in the future which I don't agree with.

I have made many bug reports etc too. Do you think they are being read by the dev team? I don't, not on this forum anyway and unfortunately I don't speak Russian. Do I think they should sit on the forums all day? Of course not. Should there be at least a single reply commenting on either the last beta or Insuber's excellent bug thread? Yes. What's the point otherwise?