Kinect support for headtracking in birds of steel please

[Gilly]

I'm well aware of how it works and to be honest I like the idea. I do think it's limited however by using a single screen- wraparound or even 3 screens then I think it's an fantastic creation. Plus as your video shows its the head that has to move which isn't natural as your eyes have to stay looking at the screen when I real life the head is stationary and the eyes move unless to look over your shoulder. My point was dont be so dismissive of someone opinion just because it differs. Phantom jusifies his 'gimmick' line by saying he'd rather see more attention to core gameplay and I agree 100%. Yes it would be nice to have all the bells and whistles but after all it's a game. It'll never be akin to the real thing. Just as people spend money buying fantastic wheels and peddles for GT5 I'd rather use the two sets of actual wheels and peddles I have outside- ones attached to a BMW 530 and the other a Golf GTI. The fact I don't have a setup for GT5 does not detract in anyway from my game experience. What I'm saying is that head tracking is gimmicky, nice idea in theory but gimmicky all the same just as a steering wheel and pedals is for GT5. It's not critical to the actual game and no great loss if it's not included.

[guiltyspark]

Originally Posted by Gilly

I'm well aware of how it works and to be honest I like the idea. I do think it's limited however by using a single screen- wraparound or even 3 screens then I think it's an fantastic creation. Plus as your video shows its the head that has to move which isn't natural as your eyes have to stay looking at the screen when I real life the head is stationary and the eyes move unless to look over your shoulder. My point was dont be so dismissive of someone opinion just because it differs. Phantom jusifies his 'gimmick' line by saying he'd rather see more attention to core gameplay and I agree 100%. Yes it would be nice to have all the bells and whistles but after all it's a game. It'll never be akin to the real thing. Just as people spend money buying fantastic wheels and peddles for GT5 I'd rather use the two sets of actual wheels and peddles I have outside- ones attached to a BMW 530 and the other a Golf GTI. The fact I don't have a setup for GT5 does not detract in anyway from my game experience. What I'm saying is that head tracking is gimmicky, nice idea in theory but gimmicky all the same just as a steering wheel and pedals is for GT5. It's not critical to the actual game and no great loss if it's not included.

only it takes little effort to apply this into the games code , thus the "threat" to the core gameplay is not viable excuse to call it a gimmick when its the most valuble control method that comes to mind when in a dogfight bar none.

Like i said , you dont understand how it works enough to accept it, its a completely natural input method and it should be held as a priority over other things by a wide margin

[Gilly]

Originally Posted by StiC

I see what you are getting at.

Headtracking works because it does not track your head movements 1 to 1. You do not have to look behind you to check your six in game. You look slightly left to pan the camera over your left wing and check you six on the left side. At no time will you lose sight of the TV you are playing on.

Depending on how you play determines how gimmicky HT is. Arcade and Realistic players have a target camera. Sim players using a DS3 can map a stick to the camera view. Others, like me, use a flight stick and have to use the hat switch which only offers 90 degrees of movement. To me HT is an essential part of playing Sim and not a gimmick at all.

Regards


StiC

Fair points well made. Though i would in defence say that the camera track in arcade and realistic does the job of tracking your target just as you naturally would do and recreates this as best as possible on a 2D screen. I use a stick myself in sim but that's more for ease of use than anything else as the hat switch sits more comfortably with my gorilla fingers. That said sim has the benefit of zoom facility which itself is un-sim like!!
At the end of the day I don't care about the tinsel I'd rather the game itself is solid and enjoyable, everything else is just gravy.

[Gilly]

Originally Posted by guiltyspark

Like i said , you dont understand how it works enough to accept it, its a completely natural input method and it should be held as a priority over other things by a wide margin

I don't understand it!!! I'm an owner and director of a IT and communications company that specialises in 3D modelling, eye tracking and virtual reality so no I guess I wouldn't would I?
It's not natural to turn your head to look left or right, it's your eyes that move. As for priority it isn't even by a small margin. As I've said nice for yourself if they do but not critical at all to the overall game at all.

[guiltyspark]

Originally Posted by Gilly

I don't understand it!!! I'm an owner and director of a IT and communications company that specialises in 3D modelling, eye tracking and virtual reality so no I guess I wouldn't would I?
It's not natural to turn your head to look left or right, it's your eyes that move. As for priority it isn't even by a small margin. As I've said nice for yourself if they do but not critical at all to the overall game at all.

well thats funny because after 200 hours of flying simulators with track ir i find it completely natural and more benifitial to my ability to fight than any other thing in the game.

seems like you are completely unqualified for your job if you think such technology is not useful or "unnatural"

also if you are unable to look at one point on a screen and turn your head and keep focus on that one point then you are physically or quite possibly mentally disabled.

[Gilly]

Originally Posted by guiltyspark

well thats funny because after 200 hours of flying simulators with track ir i find it completely natural and more benifitial to my ability to fight than any other thing in the game.

seems like you are completely unqualified for your job if you think its such a technology is not useful or "un natural"

also if you are unable to look at one point and turn your head and keep focus on that one point then you are physically disabled.

So let it be funny for you. I find it funny that you log hours of flying pixels around a screen. I haven't at any point said it's not useful, it's just not critical. If so then I must be as you say unqualified for my job, I better pack in now and retire...no wait we turnover £40million a year so I must be doing something right- oh yeah not wasting my life
staring at a virtual world that doesn't exist. And what has physical disablity to do with it save for you trying to get a discreet insult in. Part of what we do is enable such disadvantaged people to use computers by using such things as head or eye tracking depending upon there level of mobility. I therefore find your disability line not only offensive but to be honest disgusting.

[guiltyspark]

Originally Posted by Gilly

So let it be funny for you. I find it funny that you log hours of flying pixels around a screen. I haven't at any point said it's not useful, it's just not critical. If so then I must be as you say unqualified for my job, I better pack in now and retire...no wait we turnover £40million a year so I must be doing something right- oh yeah not wasting my life staring at a virtual world that doesn't exist. And what has physical disablity to do with it save for you trying to get a discreet insult in.

im not trying to be insulting

you literally have to be physically or mentally disabled to not support track IR in a flight simulator

also

"oh yeah not wasting my life staring at a virtual world that doesn't exist"

"Herp derp im not REALLY arguing with somebody on a video game forum , its all just a fantasy and in reality im working hard at the office selling products i hate and dont believe in."

[Slothboy]

Originally Posted by guiltyspark

im not trying to be insulting

you literally have to be physically or mentally disabled to not support track IR in a flight simulator

also

"oh yeah not wasting my life staring at a virtual world that doesn't exist"

"Herp derp im not REALLY arguing with somebody on a video game forum , its all just a fantasy and in reality im working hard at the office selling products i hate and dont believe in."

Spark, seriously, you don't need to be insulting to have a debate with someone. I realize this is the internet but we can still maintain a certain level of respect and decorum. Just because someone doesn't agree with you, it doesn't make them mentally disabled. If you can only "win" a debate by using insults then that implies that either your position is weak or you are not capable of making logical arguments. It reflects poorly on you and your argument.

If everyone agreed on everything all the time we would never make any progress as a society. Look at it as an opportunity to convert someone to your way of thinking without alienating them or putting them on the defensive. I dare you to respond to counter arguments without insult. double dog dare

[Gilly]

Originally Posted by guiltyspark

im not trying to be insulting

you literally have to be physically or mentally disabled to not support track IR in a flight simulator

also

"oh yeah not wasting my life staring at a virtual world that doesn't exist"

"Herp derp im not REALLY arguing with somebody on a video game forum , its all just a fantasy and in reality im working hard at the office selling products i hate and dont believe in."

Think Slothboy has covered most of what I would have said save for the fact that you state now it's an argument and I dont believe and hate the products I sell. Pray tell at what point have I said I hate or don't believe in head tracking?? In fact Ive stated I like it. What I was saying and I will reiterate it for you here seeing as you obviously didn't read it- it's not critical for the game. That is all I have said on the matter. What is more obvious is the fact you can't have a debate on the subject nor accept or respect other peoples viewpoints should they differ from your own.

[bobbysocks]

Originally Posted by guiltyspark

im not trying to be insulting.

the F you arent! you are being down right insulting. someone made light of your toys so you threw a tantrum. you are the one who isnt listening or understanding. no one said that track IR wouldnt be ok. someone merely stated their preference that in the limited programing restrictions for the game, and the space required for configuring Track IR, they preferred it be put to use to make a better overall game. and I agree with that! and instead of graciously educating that person as to why they maybe wrong you resort to name calling. then, when one of the most respected members of this forum calls you on it in polite manner. you tastelessly attack him with comments about him having a physical or mental challenge? maybe your logging of long hours with your flight simulator has become detrimental to your social development. if you wish to get along in this community you are going have to show all members respect. if that is too difficult for you to manage then i suggest finding another place to hang out.