Yet another week of running in the dark.

Originally Posted by philip.ed

Maybe it's just a sign that they are incredibly busy? Luthier said that if he isn't around the forums a lot, then it's a sign that they are hard at work.
Regarding a forum manager, then that will come when the team decide to introduce him/her. Whenever this will be only they can say. I am sure that they all know what the community wants/expects, so I don't think we need to worry that they are completely detached (despite what CloD's release might say about them).

I think it's more of a sign that they appear to have little concern about the folk who purchase their product(s), it seems it's all about the money now, I guess it has to be, all the work being done at this moment in time is aimed purely at American sales.
Have we ever had an official apology and some sort of explanation as to why we were sold a product that they knew was unfinished, yet at the same time continued to deceive us right up to release? I'm certain If they truly cared we would have had that humble statement from the dev's, not even a 'sorry guys' from Oleg whose been lucky to have enjoyed such a loyal following for all these years. I'm sure that had they had the decency to make such a statement that they would of been forgiven by the mass majority for the poor state of the game upon release. Until that statement is made then I personally have little trust or faith in what this current team do or say, 'actions speak louder than words'.

[philip.ed]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

I think it's more of a sign that they appear to have little concern about the folk who purchase their product(s), it seems it's all about the money now, I guess it has to be, all the work being done at this moment in time is aimed purely at American sales.
Have we ever had an official apology and some sort of explanation as to why we were sold a product that they knew was unfinished, yet at the same time continued to deceive us right up to release? I'm certain If they truly cared we would have had that humble statement from the dev's, not even a 'sorry guys' from Oleg whose been lucky to have enjoyed such a loyal following for all these years. I'm sure that had they had the decency to make such a statement that they would of been forgiven by the mass majority for the poor state of the game upon release. Until that statement is made then I personally have little trust or faith in what this current team do or say, 'actions speak louder than words'.

I agree that it's vital; but no one has any idea what's going on at their end (it's purely speculative) so we can only really trust that they will have learnt from 10 years experience to suit the community in whatever way possible, and work prosperously with them.

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

I think it's more of a sign that they appear to have little concern about the folk who purchase their product(s), it seems it's all about the money now, I guess it has to be, all the work being done at this moment in time is aimed purely at American sales.
Have we ever had an official apology and some sort of explanation as to why we were sold a product that they knew was unfinished, yet at the same time continued to deceive us right up to release? I'm certain If they truly cared we would have had that humble statement from the dev's, not even a 'sorry guys' from Oleg whose been lucky to have enjoyed such a loyal following for all these years. I'm sure that had they had the decency to make such a statement that they would of been forgiven by the mass majority for the poor state of the game upon release. Until that statement is made then I personally have little trust or faith in what this current team do or say, 'actions speak louder than words'.

Ok...For fun, I'll give it a shot.... :

Oleg had a contract as the lead designer with UBI and had to lead the project to the finish line and release it. Things went wrong at a personnal level with those two parts. Financing would be stoped unless Oleg finishes the project that went waaaaaay over time and budget, mainly due to Oleg 's passion for "overdetailed" nit-picking accuracy- historicaly- correct of and non-essential priority things....
Oleg's departure was a long time ago decision so the solution was to get rid of Oleg's contract and release the game a.s.a.p... Then finally Luthier was promoted to Lead designer and went under contract with UBI to finish the project. Then he got more money and time and new staff.
These are not patches that we have from time to time, these are parts of never before done things in the game that have to be patched after release.
Luthier is not patching the game, he is completing it....
So North American release is the last hope of making some success and money out of this game...Lots of pressure....

That is, of course, pure speculation, but I've seen that scenario before !

SAlute !

[Tiger27]

Originally Posted by kalimba

Ok...For fun, I'll give it a shot.... :

Oleg had a contract as the lead designer with UBI and had to lead the project to the finish line and release it. Things went wrong at a personnal level with those two parts. Financing would be stoped unless Oleg finishes the project that went waaaaaay over time and budget, mainly due to Oleg 's passion for "overdetailed" nit-picking accuracy- historicaly- correct of and non-essential priority things....
Oleg's departure was a long time ago decision so the solution was to get rid of Oleg's contract and release the game a.s.a.p... Then finally Luthier was promoted to Lead designer and went under contract with UBI to finish the project. Then he got more money and time and new staff.
These are not patches that we have from time to time, these are parts of never before done things in the game that have to be patched after release.
Luthier is not patching the game, he is completing it....
So North American release is the last hope of making some success and money out of this game...Lots of pressure....

That is, of course, pure speculation, but I've seen that scenario before !

SAlute !

You could be right, it's been released early, thats a no brainer, odd thing is for some of us it works quite well, but some of the mistakes they make are hard to understand, it looks like they need some direction, I mean how did they let the 109pp hotfix come out having fixed the lever direction, but reversed the response required by the player and slowed it down to about 1/4 speed, its been mentioned before, but surely someone tested it and if so how did it get released, it's not an intermittent thing, it is broken for everyone?

Tree, an apology isnt really required, well at least I dont require one, words are cheap anyway, they havent run over your dog or anything serious it is just a $50 game, but what we do need is the outstanding issues to be fixed, without creating new ones (QA), then they can start on getting the FM's, weather, radio and all the goodies fixed.

But they do need to get their act together and in a hurry.

[Rattlehead]

Originally Posted by Tiger27

it is just a $50 game

Mmm...a lot of people spent good money on expensive hardware specifically for this game, and besides it's the monumental disappointment of finding out what state the game is in rather than what state it was supposed to be in.

I'm not bashing the game or anyone involved in the making of the game, don't get me wrong. But to a lot of people it is much more than just another game.
But I agree, no apology is neccessary. Fixing the game up to scratch is all that's required.

[Trooper117]

I can't believe some of the stuff I'm reading here from what I assume are adults..
I bought the game., it doesn't play as well as I would like on my system.
I have worked out by my own experience, and by reading through many threads on several forums that:

a. The game has not been released in a finished state.
b. My system needs upgrading so I can enjoy what I have.
c. Subsequent patches have not improved the game for me.
d. The developers seem to be making efforts to rectify the faults.

Now, do I expect some sort of 'apology' from the devs that the points above have highlighted?
Of course not.. I didn't have to buy the game.. I could have waited until most of the faults have been rectified before purchasing.
I've bought games in the past that worked fine, but guess what? I didn't like them.. they were not what I was expecting..
Funnily enough, as I didn't like what I had purchased, they were shelved or given away..
It never even crossed my mind to demand or expect some sort of apology!
What a pathetic politicaly correct miserable world we have turned into.. Pah!

[robtek]

1+

I'll drink to that, Trooper117

[Bobb4]

Honestly I am not disappointed at all.
I read Tree's threads before release and knew what to expect.

The game is what I expected a half finished work of art.
It will be completed one way or another.

As for weekly updates, a patch is worth a thousand words.

[CharveL]

+2

Wah I don't get regular updates on Luthiers daily bowel movements wah wah...I'm pissed that I wasn't smart enough to wait a week before mortgaging my house to buy it WAH...!!

Get some perspective, find a shelf to put CLoD on and use the few bucks you saved from the Russian exchange rate to buy yourselves some tissues.

[TonyD]

Originally Posted by Trooper117

I can't believe some of the stuff I'm reading here from what I assume are adults..

Trooper, if this were ‘just a game’, then you would be quite correct – we could toss it away as a failure and move on to something else while the developer went bankrupt. However, this ‘game’ is a long-anticipated and much-hyped replacement for the most popular WW-II combat sim ever, and as such has a very devoted and loyal fan base who feel (quite rightly in some respects) somewhat cheated by the lack of previously promised regular updates on the progress of much-needed fixes.

I don’t group myself into this category as my passion lies with racing sims, but I can definitely identify with the sentiment. A realistic fact is that there is no alternative to CloD, unlike most other games (including racing sims), and this produces the noted reaction to the lack news from the developer, as well as the resulting rumours.