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[Azimech]

The box... I have the DVD here that was printed in 2006.

Pentium III or Athlon 1 Ghz. 64 MB 3D Card. 512 MB memory.

That *severly* limits development, these values were common 10 years ago.
I know of no-one who uses such ancient crap for playing IL2 (the ones who do, should get themselves a foam baseball bat and hit themselves on the head with it). I see dual core machines placed on the sidewalks as garbage nowadays.

[EJGr.Ost_Caspar]

Originally Posted by Azimech

I know of no-one who uses such ancient crap for playing IL2 (the ones who do, should get themselves a foam baseball bat and hit themselves on the head with it). I see dual core machines placed on the sidewalks as garbage nowadays.

What an arrogant attitude that is.
I occasionally play it on a Mobile Athlon 64 with a ATI Radeon 9700 And I don't want to miss that possibility.
Ist still remember very well that day, as 1CM introduced the 'new clouds' and I wasn't able to play it on my 800MHz P4 with Geforce 4 anymore. I was quite upset. And did you know, there are still people playing it via 56kb modems!

You should know, that the world isn't everywhere as shiny as at your home.

The stock standards won't change. Period.

[Artist]

My 2 cents for the two discussions:

- Quality of Mods: many a thousand dillettantes are required for one or two true masters to emerge. You cannot have the latter without the first.

- System requirements: Many more people simply cannot afford what is just ordinary standard to many.

I am glad about all the modders, glad about the quality-filter provided by TD and glad about TD's "The stock standards won't change" policy: If offers me and everybody else the freedom of accessibility and choice.

Artist

[WWFlybert]

Originally Posted by EJGr.Ost_Caspar

What an arrogant attitude that is.
I occasionally play it on a Mobile Athlon 64 with a ATI Radeon 9700 And I don't want to miss that possibility.
Ist still remember very well that day, as 1CM introduced the 'new clouds' and I wasn't able to play it on my 800MHz P4 with Geforce 4 anymore. I was quite upset. And did you know, there are still people playing it via 56kb modems!

You should know, that the world isn't everywhere as shiny as at your home.

The stock standards won't change. Period.

you must mean 800mhz PIII .. P4 started at 1.4Ghz in November 2000, though those were worse that even 733 mhz PIII 133 FSB

by Summer 2002, there were some nice P4 machines up to 3.06ghz and DDR RAM rather than the original RAMBUS only P4 / 423 socket

I run a 2.4ghz P4 that has 512MB RAMBUS with a 7600 GS 512MB AGP 8x card (4x on my machine ) and need to run 1024 x 768 res and not highest settings to get playable framerates and only occasional drawing pauses .. I'd add RAMBUS but it's terribly expensive .. so ..

Just got a used 3.2 HT (and can get a 3.6 HT P4 cheap for it too ) P4 with 2GB DDR, new 500GB HDD and a 1GB PCI-X x16 nVidia 430 card (less than $80) .. whole deal cost me $300 .. this is nearly a 6 year old machine

RECOMMENDED specs on IL-2 1946 box is 2.4ghz processor, 1GB of RAM and 128MB video memory (which, IMO is absurd spec these days)

so while I am quite poor, I think holding to stock minimum specs of machines 8-10 years old for official releases is unnecessary and makes for lower quality, considering that if a person is still interested in flying IL-2 1946, they most likely have a computer and graphics card exceeding the recommended specs .. even 5 year old laptops designed for gaming have recommended specs and I suspect very few would be left out if IL-2 1946 no longer run acceptably on PIII systems .. Win98 being now unsupported and PIII, except perhaps 933 or 1ghz 133mhz FSB not very able to run WinXP .. which itself will be unsupported in less than 3 years

just my opinion of course, however I'd prefer some things in IL-2 be higher quality, or have some large aircraft, gunner cockpits and pilot cockpits that might moderately exceed current poly and texture limits, than to cater to such low minimum specs

56k modems ? .. must be very tough for those people to even download the updates ..

[EJGr.Ost_Caspar]

Originally Posted by WWFlybert

56k modems ? .. must be very tough for those people to even download the updates ..

Thats why there was a plan to burn 4.09 onto CD's to be recieved by such players (in russia) for a production price. That plan was abandoned anyway.

My 800MHz was P3? Alright, maybe. It was however not '46, that I was playing on it, must have been from IL-2 to FB or so. I'm sure, minimum specs on boxes must have changed from release to release.
However, as '46 is the latest official pay release, we have to stick to that specs, since players still buy that game and then have the right to patch it.
Wouldn't be nice for them, if the specs, they trust in, get obsolete with patching.

I'm not sure, if that might even make law-side issues.

[bf-110]

Just came to the topic to see if the things got slightly better,but I see already that there are some hands on some throats.
Greed Wars is reaching it's peak.

[EJGr.Ost_Caspar]

Hm... no. Where? I don't feel strangled.

[Azimech]

Yeah I too feel we're having quite a civilized discussion here.