BF109 - Can't we just have the gunsight in the middle?

[Lixma]

This might help some...(hope springs eternal)

Here's a BF109 pilot's perspective.

Right eye open, left eye shut....



Left eye open, right eye shut....



And here is what a pilot with two eyes open would see....



And here we have the current set up in CoD. It also happens to faithfully, realistically, recreate what a Cyclops would see were he ever to fly for the Luftwaffe.

[KOM.Nausicaa]

Originally Posted by Lixma

And here is what a pilot with two eyes open would see....

No that is not what he would see.

[Lixma]

Originally Posted by KOM.Nausicaa

No that is not what he would see.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflex_sight

Because reflex sights provide an illuminated reticle, they are often used with both eyes open (the brain will tend to automatically superimpose the illuminated reticle image coming from the dominant eye onto the other eye's unobstructed view), giving the shooter normal depth perception and full field of view.

OK, what would he see?

[b101uk]

We should remember wile most people brain can superimpose 2 slightly different images given they have 2 eyes and do it ALL the time , some people have different eye dominance so would not be able to process info from a RH sight without training unless they used the left eye instead for the sight (regardless of if they are left or right handed)

Likewise not everyone (fewer people) in all would be able to use a magnified image in one eye and normal focuses in the other eye, thats why fewer people have both eyes open with telescopic sights than with reflex sights.

Remember the brain is a powerful with respect to image processing, given that what out eye see’s and feeds to the brain is upside-down and the brain flips it the right way up and that the brain if we were to ware some special glasses that flipped the image upside-down after a few weeks to a couple of months the brain would flip the image so we would the correct way up agene as experiments have shown.

[Gollum]

Originally Posted by Lixma

Seriously.

Over a decade of faffing about with Shift-F1, leaning over, loosening straps or whatever...i'm weary of it. Just place the damned thing in the centre of the dash! Is anyone really going to be put out by such a minor concession to usability?

Realism be hanged in this instance.

I WILL SMASH YOUR FACE INTO A JELLY!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBzxfR6VF80

[Hatch]

So which is more real then ?

The perception of reality is so subjective.

I think it's a viable alternative, and should be an option for those that wish to simulate real life

[heloguy]

Originally Posted by Lixma

And here is what a pilot with two eyes open would see....

As a pilot that flies with HUD every once in awhile, no, that's not what you would see. If I adjust the HUD so only half of it is visible in my right eye, I don't magically see the reverse of that half mirrored on the left. I only see the half, unless I adjust it back to center. HUD, and reflector sights are pretty much the same thing, it's just that the HUD shows information from a processor, instead of only an image of a gunsight. The way it's modeled now is correct.

[Redroach]

Originally Posted by Buzpilot

This is not possible, even with two eyes.

Oh, this is very possible. Just ingest copious amounts of hallucinogens prior to climbing into your plane!

[Lixma]

Originally Posted by Hatch

So which is more real then ?

The perception of reality is so subjective.

I think it's a viable alternative, and should be an option for those that wish to simulate real life

In real life the 109 pilots (and FW-190) did not have to lean over to the right to see the reticle clearly. The cockpits were cramped enough as it was. If the pilots really did have to lean over to the right just to get a clear image it's surprising that no bright soul ever thought to mount the gunsight centrally rather than offset to the right.

In CoD we have a beautifully modelled cockpit. However we are handicapped with a Cyclopean view of it due to the nature and limitations of a 2D display. And, so, work-arounds such as Shift F-1 or using Track-IR to lean over are necessary.

Unfortunately these work-arounds are being mistaken for reality. The reasons given range from "Go play Hawx noob" to "I've gotten used to it, it's easy with practice".....none of which have any connection with simulation as far as I can tell.

[Lixma]

Originally Posted by heloguy

As a pilot that flies with HUD every once in awhile, no, that's not what you would see. If I adjust the HUD so only half of it is visible in my right eye, I don't magically see the reverse of that half mirrored on the left.

Then don't adjust the HUD so only half of it is visible in your right eye.

The offset Revi sight in the 109 projects a full image onto the right eye, not half.