Gamespot Review for CoD - Score: 4.0

[ParaB]

Originally Posted by utu

The RoF's campaign after 2 years from the date of the release is poor and the people is waiting for a new one. Cod is not released yet in the US and some people is moaning that "the campaigns are an embarrassment". Then, stop to download patches and stop to play this game, but I bet that you the next monday will be waiting for the new patch.

Apples and Oranges IMO. RoF was the 1st product of a very small team that made clear that it was a work in progress from the start.

I really expect different from Maddox games with all their prior experience, especially since the lack of an immersive SP campaign has been criticized since the original Il2. And RoF on release had FAR fewer problems for me than CoD.

The fact that I'm disappointed with the campaigns and annoyed by the plethora of bugs doesn't mean I'm not enjoying CoD. Otherwise I wouldn't already have spent so many hours with it.

I'm sure CoD will get better over time, already the 1st two patches for example have significantly improved performance for me but that doesn't change the fact that the current state of the sim leaves a lot to be desired and that the Gamespot review is indeed a fair review of this product.

[Katana1000S]

Originally Posted by Devastat

It is actually really sad to read this as actually CoD is a really good game, they just reviewed it way too early :/
Edit: I should have wrote, they released it way too early.

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/sim/il-2-...er/review.html

Gamespot, LOL

I'm capable of making my own mind up on things without reading guff like this ... I do buy PC Pilot each second month and no doubt they will do a review too, their reviews are mostly biased and sometimes idiotic, but at least I expect them to make it clear that IL2 CoD (rightly or wrongly) is a work in progress.

I'm sorry, but I never even opened the link, as soon as I saw Gamespot I smirked.

[KOM.Nausicaa]

"Fair review of the product".

Maybe so, although I am not sure I actually agree with it. The list of games and especially sims that went public half broken is endless...from small niche sims to big blockbuster MMO's with 100M$ production cost. And there are many which became great games / sims nevertheless, because the devs and the community continued to support it, with sometimes massive improvement only some months after the initial "failed" release. Someone played the first months of EvE Online? Or Age of Conan, or even WoW? Or SH3, SH5, ROF, BoB WoV, and so on. Heck, I can remember the whining at the release of the original IL2 that it was "unplayable" on mid range and lower range machines! And see what it has become -- reference N°1 in WW2 combat simming.

The reviewer should know all this, and maybe he does. But then he should also know what a niche product this is, and that it's almost a miracle this console crazy world is getting a new serious WW2 combat sim AT ALL. He should be very careful what he is doing.

So yes, he can say truthfully what his first impressions are on this current day -- fair enough. But it would have been a lot smarter, and IMO more fairplay, to not give a score at the moment, but to wait instead until the planned revisit in 6 months.
That is what Eurogamers.fr has done, and I think that is a much better idea if you want to give the game a chance.....and the genre. Review yes, but no score until the devs have gotten their chance on fixing it.
http://www.eurogamer.fr/articles/tes...test445?page=3

Now Gamespot has done the damage and the score of 4/10 will run through the internet, hurting this sim, and ultimately the genre as a whole. Even if you score the game 8/10 in six months it's hard to take that back.

Not very smart !

[mazex]

Originally Posted by Buchon

Unplayable :

Wow, that is THE coolest fs video I've seen to date Should be uploaded to Gamespot as a user video! ASAP!

[Katana1000S]

Originally Posted by KOM.Nausicaa

Now Gamespot has done the damage and the score of 4/10 will run through the internet, hurting this sim, and ultimately the genre as a whole. Even if you score the game 8/10 in six months it's hard to take that back.

Not very smart !

Very true, when you throw mud it sticks unfortunately, CoD is not the only release that was released early, RoF was too, we are in a global recession just now and if the devs never got money then they would be unable to continue and its as simple as that, its not as if the devs of IL2 have done a runner, they are giving support and patches and very good patches too now that they can pay some bills, any good review should take note of the global recession and what it means and be more realistic IMHO.

[Insuber]

Originally Posted by KOM.Nausicaa

"Fair review of the product".

Maybe so, although I am not sure I actually agree with it. The list of games and especially sims that went public half broken is endless...from small niche sims to big blockbuster MMO's with 100$ production cost. And there are many which became great games / sims nevertheless, because the devs and the community continued to support it, with sometimes massive improvement only some months after the initial "failed" release. Someone played the first months of EvE Online? Or Age of Conan, or even WoW? Or SH3, SH5, ROF, BoB WoV, and so on. Heck, I can remember the whining at the release of the original IL2 that it was "unplayable" on mid range and lower range machines! And see what it has become -- reference N°1 in WW2 combat simming.

The reviewer should know all this, and maybe he does. But then he should also know what a niche product this is, and that it's almost a miracle this console crazy world is getting a new serious WW2 combat sim AT ALL. He should be very careful what he is doing.

So yes, he can say truthfully what his first impressions are on this current day -- fair enough. But it would have been a lot smarter, and IMO more fairplay, to not give a score at the moment, but to wait instead until the planned revisit in 6 months.
That is what Eurogamers.fr has done, and I think that is a much better idea if you want to give the game a chance.....and the genre. Review yes, but no score until the devs have gotten their chance on fixing it.
http://www.eurogamer.fr/articles/tes...test445?page=3

Now Gamespot has done the damage and the score of 4/10 will run through the internet, hurting this sim, and ultimately the genre as a whole. Even if you score the game 8/10 in six months it's hard to take that back.

Not very smart !

+1

Well said and thought.

[Russkly]

Originally Posted by KOM.Nausicaa

"Fair review of the product".

Maybe so, although I am not sure I actually agree with it. The list of games and especially sims that went public half broken is endless...from small niche sims to big blockbuster MMO's with 100$ production cost. And there are many which became great games / sims nevertheless, because the devs and the community continued to support it, with sometimes massive improvement only some months after the initial "failed" release. Someone played the first months of EvE Online? Or Age of Conan, or even WoW? Or SH3, SH5, ROF, BoB WoV, and so on. Heck, I can remember the whining at the release of the original IL2 that it was "unplayable" on mid range and lower range machines! And see what it has become -- reference N°1 in WW2 combat simming.

The reviewer should know all this, and maybe he does. But then he should also know what a niche product this is, and that it's almost a miracle this console crazy world is getting a new serious WW2 combat sim AT ALL. He should be very careful what he is doing.

So yes, he can say truthfully what his first impressions are on this current day -- fair enough. But it would have been a lot smarter, and IMO more fairplay, to not give a score at the moment, but to wait instead until the planned revisit in 6 months.
That is what Eurogamers.fr has done, and I think that is a much better idea if you want to give the game a chance.....and the genre. Review yes, but no score until the devs have gotten their chance on fixing it.
http://www.eurogamer.fr/articles/tes...test445?page=3

Now Gamespot has done the damage and the score of 4/10 will run through the internet, hurting this sim, and ultimately the genre as a whole. Even if you score the game 8/10 in six months it's hard to take that back.

Not very smart !

What you say is right, in our opinion, i.e. that of the select and very adoring combat flight sim niche.

However in the big, bad world of business, a product was released, for whatever reason, in a state barely fit for purpose. In most professions one would get slammed for giving the purchasing public something so obviously undercooked.

Gamespot simply did what they do with other games once released - review them.

We shouldn't blame Gamespot for not being as one-eyed as we are; rather we should blame Ubisoft/iC/Maddox for the untimely release of this product.

That said, I love 1C/Maddox and IL2 & CoD, and I will endure patiently while it becomes, I hope, the wondrous product it could become.

R

[mayestdo]

Fair review of the product

[jt_medina]

I never read reviews. Many of them are written by people who have no idea what they are talking about.

[ICDP]

Originally Posted by jt_medina

I never read reviews. Many of them are written by people who have no idea what they are talking about.

The counter to that argument is that reviews are useless for people who think they always know best.