Some tabloid employees among us?

[the Dutchman]

Do the duck test;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:The_duck_test

[PeterPanPan]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

Surely selling a game that doesn't work is false information, I mean these things do work both ways dont they??

Oh, come on Tree. Do you really think that is a sensible and fair way of summing up CoD (and that's without taking into account the fact that you don't even have the game yet)? Do you not think your statement is a little naive, over simplistic, misplaced and antagonistic?

So, that's it then. According to you CoD "doesn't work". And then what Tree? What do you advise? That no one buys this game because we've all been led up the garden path by these disingenuous developers/publishers? Where would that leave us then? Ooh, let me think. Ah yes, got it ... there'd be no IL2 CoD for us to play with ... ever.

Look, the reality is that our hobby is niche, and therein lies the problem. The numbers of global players are small and so development/publishing budgets will be relatively small. Added to this the fact that that flight sims are inherently complex creatures, they will always be released a little buggy. That is our world, and we need to understand that and put up with it. The good news is that Oleg and team are passionate about their projects and they have a proven track record of getting things right. They will get this right, if not on initial release, in subsequent patches. BUT, they will only get this right if we let them. We need to stop all this negative crap and get behind 1C and give them the support the bloody deserve. Or perhaps you'd rather buy one of the many other WWII flight sims on the market with a proven 10+ year pedigree?

PPanPan out

Originally Posted by PeterPanPan

Oh, come on Tree. Do you really think that is a sensible and fair way of summing up CoD (and that's without taking into account the fact that you don't even have the game yet)? Do you not think your statement is a little naive, over simplistic, misplaced and antagonistic?

So, that's it then. According to you CoD "doesn't work". And then what Tree? What do you advise? That no one buys this game because we've all been led up the garden path by these disingenuous developers/publishers? Where would that leave us then? Ooh, let me think. Ah yes, got it ... there'd be no IL2 CoD for us to play with ... ever.

Look, the reality is that our hobby is niche, and therein lies the problem. The numbers of global players are small and so development/publishing budgets will be relatively small. Added to this the fact that that flight sims are inherently complex creatures, they will always be released a little buggy. That is our world, and we need to understand that and put up with it. The good news is that Oleg and team are passionate about their projects and they have a proven track record of getting things right. They will get this right, if not on initial release, in subsequent patches. BUT, they will only get this right if we let them. We need to stop all this negative crap and get behind 1C and give them the support the bloody deserve. Or perhaps you'd rather buy one of the many other WWII flight sims on the market with a proven 10+ year pedigree?

PPanPan out

No I have never advised that no-one buys the game, I have never posted that anywhere, my main concerns is that the Dev's knew this game wouldn't run well out of the box, right up to release we were asking that they show us some in game footage but they refused, now I know that they have issues but a statement before release would of been the most honest and best way forward and I'm sure we would have bought them more time, but to release it knowing it wouldn't run at all well shows a lack of respect to the buying public in my opinion.
I will say this though It took some pretty big brass balls to go to the stores and sign autographs and watch people spend their cash knowing there are inherent problems within the product. Respect works both ways here, people tell me all the time 'where is your respect' well mine is currently in my pocket and soon to be spent on this title, I would expect some back in return along with a little honesty.

[Tiger27]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

Surely selling a game that doesn't work is false information, I mean these things do work both ways dont they??

Tree, what do you mean doesn't work, from the videos I have seen it works, although it needs some tweaking and there are some hoped for features missing, all these can be corrected, but it does work, time to drop the crusade and admit that although some of your concerns were correct most things you said have now been proven incorrect or at least vastly overstated, don't worry, like RBJ etc you will be remembered with some humour once this game has had some time to develop further, I'll personally always picture you with a tinfoil hat on and a placard with I told you so written on it

[jimbop]

The devs really need to start communicating here more to allay some of these forum troubles. A vacuum will always be filled and many on this forum are already playing, regardless of whether this was intended or not.

Originally Posted by Tiger27

Tree, what do you mean doesn't work, from the videos I have seen it works, although it needs some tweaking and there are some hoped for features missing, all these can be corrected, but it does work, time to drop the crusade and admit that although some of your concerns were correct most things you said have now been proven incorrect or at least vastly overstated, don't worry, like RBJ etc you will be remembered with some humour once this game has had some time to develop further, I'll personally always picture you with a tinfoil hat on and a placard with I told you so written on it

lol, I like it.

[Oldschool61]

Originally Posted by TheGrunch

Not much they can do about the epilepsy filter I guess. Ubi's decision. Interesting that something that apparently affects between 0.015-0.025% of the human population could suddenly be so important. .

If its so prevalent and important why have we not seen it added to the original IL2 and how many lawsuits have they gotten from IL2 not having it?? none!

[GnigruH]

Well, the game didn't work at the release.

You have to take into account that this game is not about: get one plane and fly around and do acrobatics with fps drops every 5 sec.

I don't have the game myself, but I spoke with someone who has it, and who also has a solid gaming rig, and believe me - they released an unplayable game without a single word of warning.
It's a fact.
They swindled people out of money.

[Insuber]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mG2o1...mbedded#at=573

[ATAG_Bliss]

These forums are a shame. Could someone please tell me one flight sim that's been released in the last 5 years that worked perfectly on release? Do you negative Nancy's really think that Luthier and team aren't going to be able to optimize the game and make it run well?

I take it everyone forgot about the beta leak footage that didn't stutter around? I take it everyone forgot about the Ignor show footage done with cell phone cameras that looked fairly smooth? That was on an i5 with 2gigs of ram.

If anyone remembers, when IL2 was originally released people were trying to run it with P386/486's. Do you know how ancient those are now? I'm glad that the game will bring a huge system to it's knees (even after optimization) that just shows how complex of a game engine we are dealing with. It also shows just how much potential we have for years to come.

It's as if some of you people think the team worked 6 years to bring you a pile of crap. I imagine Luthier and team are working 24 hours a day to try to get some sort of patch ready to smooth it out. Judging by some of the posts on these forums, you people are some ungrateful bastards.

No wonder the simming business is such a small niche market. Really smooth move treating the ONLY developer to make a quality WWII air combat simulation in the last 10 years like a piece of crap. These people don't do this to get rich. Hell, the pilot bail-out animation in this sim looks better than any first person shooter game I've ever seen. Don't you realize this company could be making stuff for the masses and making some huge money with their talent? Show some respect. Show some support. Show a little praise FFS.

I've been waiting for this forever. I'm very happy it finally got released. I could sit in the cockpit and flip the switches for hours in itself. I will be flying around every single map by myself for hours with a big shit eating grin on my face, just enjoying the fact that I'm actually flying what I've been waiting for all this time. That's what flight simulation is all about and judging by some of the positive postings I've read about CoD, it will probably blow my mind the 1st time I spawn into an aircraft.

Be happy folks. I know I'm smiling just thinking about the chance to finally get this title. I've seen enough videos from the release version to make my jaw drop already. Those of you cancelling your preorder are simply not flight simmers or have no idea what kind of support you will have with 1c. IL2 gave us 10 years. CoD will probably give us that and more! Pretty cheap price IMO. There isn't a flight sim I haven't bought in the last 5 years, regardless of type, and regardless of how much I play it, just to show my support for those people who make my favorite types of games.

Thanks Oleg and team!