Other armament corrections

[Daniël]

Originally Posted by Grach

4) Hurricane loadouts: 8 gun IIb option. (The outer 4 guns were often removed in the Far East to lighten the aircraft.) 500lb bombs would also be nice for both IIb and IIc, plus 250lb for the IIc.
The Russian conversions had quite a variety of loadouts, ignoring the various gun options (4x UB or 4x ShVAK) they could be fitted with 4x RS/BRS-82, or various bombs up to 2x 100kg.

If a Hurricane MkII has got 8 guns it's called a MkIIa, 12 guns is MkIIb. But how a MkIIb where 4 guns are removed is called? I don't know.

[koivis]

Originally Posted by Daniël

If a Hurricane MkII has got 8 guns it's called a MkIIa, 12 guns is MkIIb. But how a MkIIb where 4 guns are removed is called? I don't know.

Hurricane Mk IIb 8-gun Field Mod?

But seriously, the difference between IIa and IIb, apart from the guns, was that the IIb could carry underwing bombs and drop tanks. Now it has no other loadout options but only the guns.

[IceFire]

I doubt it'd be a huge effort to produce a armament option on the Hurricane IIb to remove the outer MG's.

A Hurricane IID or Mark IV would be an interesting and fairly straight forward addition as well come to think of it. Useful on our desert maps and in Burma (used there right up to the end of 1944 I believe when they were replaced by lend lease P-47s).

[1984]

Originally Posted by IceFire

A Hurricane IID or Mark IV would be an interesting and fairly straight forward addition as well come to think of it. Useful on our desert maps and in Burma (used there right up to the end of 1944 I believe when they were replaced by lend lease P-47s).

i read what USSR received some old Hurricanes IID from africa, flyable, but in bad condition, plus several Mark IV, so, even if soviet 2d and 4 was not used in combats, although 441 IAP PVO had these aircrafts (several sorties to interception) and 246 IAP with >30 IID arrived at the front in june-july'44, anyway, it's additional reason for including these planes with correct performances...

[1984]

Originally Posted by TinyTim

Speaking of Yaks - Yak-3 VK-107 has wrong armament too. According to Yefim Gordon it was fitted either with two (both in cowling) or with three B-20 cannons (additional one firing through the spinner). In the sim it has one ShVAK (between cilinders) and one UBS (cowling).

i looked some books...

yes, different versions of yak-3 with m-107 were armed 2 or 3 b-20 in different configurations, but here written what in 43 first yak-1m with m-107 originally was armed like yak-1m with m-105, ie, ubs+shvak and only later received 2 synchronized b-20 -

Первый же Як-1М с двигателем М-107А, как следует из краткого технического описания завода № 115, построили весной, предположительно в марте 1943 года, поскольку вышеупомянутый документ датирован 17 апреля. Вооружение сохранилось, как и на первом опытном экземпляре Як-1М, – мотор-пушка МП-20 и пулемет БС.

После заводских испытаний первый прототип Як-3 с мотором ВК-107А подвергли переделкам на опытном заводе № 115. Доработки в основном были связаны с заменой вооружения на два синхронных орудия Б-20.

if i'm remember right, in game on external views 2 gun ports, 1 motor-gun and 1 left synchronized, well, it's correct for some planes like yak-3 N04-01 with metal wings and m-107 and all-metal yak-3 with m-107...

so, i think, at first time, without any serious changes, DT can give for this yak 2 b-20 (100-120 rounds per gun, depends on configuration and plane, here i think need 120 for all), or can leave ubs+shvak for fun and "2 x b-20" like option...

about other things like performance, 3d model etc, of course, any fix for this yak it's good, but i agree what in game lot of REAL planes with errors...


and for confirmation, in total, attached table from Stepanets (i remind what it's very generalized table without context)...

[IceFire]

The Yak-3 VK-107 has been kind of left alone since it was introduced in IL-2 1946. It's a weird prototype. To make it a more like a real series production model, it'd need some work.

That's why I focused on the grossly inaccurate and wartime serving Yak-9UT first

The Do335 initially released in game had some issue concerning 151/20's in place of 151/15's as I recall, I have no idea if that has already been dealt with. The V13 switched to the 151/20's and should have an armored windscreen, dual rear view mirrors, a larger nose wheel that rotates roughly 45 degrees while retracting and larger mainwheels and their doors . The V14 is the one that introduced the wing mounted 103's. Those last items are, obviously, model changes. The 335 when operating on one engine was also about 50mph faster on the rear engine than the front, 350mph versus 302mph for the A.


...Oh, and the rear propeller should be about three inches smaller in diameter than the front...