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IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover Latest instalment in the acclaimed IL-2 Sturmovik series from award-winning developer Maddox Games.

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Old 02-16-2011, 05:08 PM
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I think it's actually you guys that have become brainwashed since the whole "Whining hype" started.

It's good to see detailed criticism, maybe these issues are indeed not noticed so far by the devs, that would help the sim, and therefore help us all. With all the stuff the devs have going on I'd imagine they sometimes miss certain, often minor, bugs or other issues. As we have so little official ingame videos, this seems to be almost the only way to help Oleg and co.
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Old 02-16-2011, 05:39 PM
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help him out? more like driving him to drink
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Old 02-16-2011, 05:55 PM
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Sorry but I just CANNOT imagine the devs have missed those things.

If I were a developer of a game, and a month before release I would find a topic like this, my response would be: "So?"

Rodolpho, there are TWENTY-TWO people working on this sim and they have been doing so for years. Do you really think you have spotted those things and they have not? Ever heard of the word "arrogance"?
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Old 02-16-2011, 06:36 PM
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I think it arrogance speaking from the people who accuse him of "whining"!!!
These are documented flaws, correctly delivered.
And yes, there are ONLY 22 people working on this huge project.
If ALL those faults are already known -> fine, nothing lost, but if only 1 of those faults has been missed by the team -> honor to him!
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Old 02-16-2011, 07:14 PM
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I don't agree. If you're betatesting a product, devs are asking you for every bug or glitch you can find.

But we have no insight in the status of the product, we are outsiders. Even if we buy the product we will never know certain aspects of how this or any company runs it's business.
We don't know what build this is, even if the name suggests it's recent. There is only one thing we know for sure, and that the version we saw on the screen isn't finished. These films were uploaded by someone visiting an event, like the other guy probably without Oleg's or Luthier's consent. And if I were Oleg, I wouldn't risk installing my latest build there.

If Oleg wanted us to be involved in every aspect of the development, including which builds are being shown or tested where, we would have known.

I know the motive was pure helpfulness, that's great! And Rodolphe's knowledge and eye for detail are really impressive! But I feel that this time it misses the target.
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Old 02-16-2011, 07:22 PM
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Nitpicking a beta.

Amazing.

Go outside and get a breath of fresh air son.

You need it.
That's the point. You don't know the build and if those bugs are already solved.
Just a waste of time imo.
And I'm sure that things like missing wire and spring are not the most important for devs atm.
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Old 02-16-2011, 08:05 PM
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Another thread gone down the toilet. I sure hope things change after release around here. I mean c'mon.... If you don't agree with the guy than why flame him? Save yourself the time and move on. Maybe, just maybe this is an issue that will be brought to light. Honestly none of you know for sure, so give him some space.
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Old 02-17-2011, 05:40 PM
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I think it's actually you guys that have become brainwashed since the whole "Whining hype" started.

It's good to see detailed criticism, maybe these issues are indeed not noticed so far by the devs, that would help the sim, and therefore help us all. With all the stuff the devs have going on I'd imagine they sometimes miss certain, often minor, bugs or other issues. As we have so little official ingame videos, this seems to be almost the only way to help Oleg and co.
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Sorry but I just CANNOT imagine the devs have missed those things.

If I were a developer of a game, and a month before release I would find a topic like this, my response would be: "So?"

Rodolpho, there are TWENTY-TWO people working on this sim and they have been doing so for years. Do you really think you have spotted those things and they have not? Ever heard of the word "arrogance"?
I do Beta testing for another game company, and you would be AMAZED at the bugs they missed!

It is simple why:
They have dozens of units, and it would take them DAYS to properly test each unit, and hours just to look at the model. They simply do not have time to do it.

In the end the fine details are what we as players discover.

WTG, Rodolpho!
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