Making the discussion threads by Oleg & Luthier Invite only

[Avimimus]

Originally Posted by lbuchele

A brazilian writer, Nelson Rodrigues, once said: "People have no conscience at all,they only have fear of the police"
Without the real fear of being banned or something,this people will not stop to behave in a rude and disrespectful manner.

He was wrong though.

(eg. Who do the police fear? Why doesn't the army take over? - and ten thousand other objections. Only the pampered and the authoritarian can really believe that the police keep much of anything in check)

[lbuchele]

Originally Posted by Avimimus

He was wrong though.

(eg. Who do the police fear? Why doesn't the army take over? - and ten thousand other objections. Only the pampered and the authoritarian can really believe that the police keep much of anything in check)

Please,my point and certainly Mr.Nelson Rodrigues too, was that the human race as a whole is not really self disciplined by nature.
That's why we create laws,right?
Because we are a race capable of the most marvelus examples of love and sacrifice for the others but also the more montruous acts against other human beings.It was not a quote about the police,literally, for god's sake...
And he certainly wasn't wrong.Just look around,it's easy to see.All the strong democracies in the world,have strong laws punishing criminals AND (this is the real difference) laws really work on those countries.
Here is a strong critic about my own country in this matter.
Off topic enough,this is becoming too political for my taste.

[Avimimus]

Definitely too political. I'm also probably completely unfair (taking the quote out of context - which is always tempting with such strong quotes).

I certainly didn't mean to imply that you were pampered or authoritarian (even though I seem to have). I'm sorry if my glib and harsh reply was rude or disrespectful in any way.

When the democratisation program began in England, there were about 200 crimes for which capital sentences could be awarded (and a women had been burned at the stake in 1790 for counterfeiting). On the whole democracies have much more moderate laws (perhaps because the government is seen as more legitimate).

A lot needs to be said for trust, self-discipline, cultural values, ties of mutual respect, thankfulness and broader social pressure.

A lot of individual people don't behave as they should, but typical behaviour in a society, and what values groups hold, can mean the difference between the military taking over or democratic opposition being respected. There are a lot of cases where fear of the law wouldn't prevent people from acting out (but other things do).

A lot of small societies (eg. indigenous peoples) don't have anything like a modern legal system, but are still able to regulate behaviour.

[fireflyerz]

Shoot that man right now sargent.

[lbuchele]

I enjoy very much your post Avimimus,thanks for your understanding.

[Stiboo]

You cannot have positives without negatives existing !

Just ban any OTT posters for a few days..

Anyway it makes my laugh seeing how some people carry on !!




For what do we live, but to make sport for our neighbors and laugh at them in our turn? - Jane Austen

[heywooood]

I think a certain amount of useful material is garnered occasionally from some of the outlandish wish posts...or that an unintentional idea could be taken at a tangent from some of them.

as to the nattering and bashing that goes on well...I think people are quick enough to recognize and dismiss those (another definition of R&D) so I doubt they cause Oleg or Ilya much distress at all - they're big boys and can handle an open forum warts and all be sure.

I don't care for the suggestion to make those threads available by 'invite only' because it is pure cheese -

You think Oleg and company don't already have a close association with their own inner band of talented, experienced artists, historians, fliers, and engineers??? Thats where the 'closed' or 'invite only' development threads are...

They only come here for our sake to keep us in the loop like no other software development team in history (this is a huge part of the way they 'market' their sim)
...if they happen to get an idea or two they had not considered before so much the better.

but don't fool yourself into thinking that they might miss some brilliant idea of yours here in this forum because of the roughage that accumulates in the specific threads you refer to...thats just ridiculous

[Avimimus]

Originally Posted by lbuchele

I enjoy very much your post Avimimus,thanks for your understanding.

Thank you.

I've looked up Rodrigues - do you think he would be interesting to read?

[BadAim]

I think the real point here the manner of posts, not the content. Of course negative posts are OK, even welcome (Oleg and Luthier have said so). I think it's even less about the posters as who their posting to. Oleg and his team do what they do for the love of it. It's highly unlikely that anyone is getting rich at 1C or Maddox games. Some of us are just grated by the way people abuse them that's all. It's embarrassing really.

Maybe we expect the community that we are a part of to have a little class. It's probably silly to expect it across the board. We might well be happy that it's the case for the most part.......