Friday 2011-01-21 Dev. update and Discussion

[zauii]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

Without doubt it will be the best ww2 flight sim, to date Il2 still is. I think people's expectations were raised to high by some of the early interviews that Oleg did, a lot was promised, and many expected the terrain, trees etc to look as good as the 3d models which look stunning. However we still haven't seen any finished 'in game' shots in high res with DX11, whilst this might be done for a reason many including myself begin to wonder why, add this to the fact that luthier as already stated that alot of features have been pulled from the intial release then its fair to say that some spirits may have been dampened slightly after waiting so long for our 'cinematic' flight sim. But you are right it will be the best there is, but probably not as good as we hoped it would be.

I never expected the trees to look as detailed as the 3d models, that is unrealistic and anyone who ever expected that should be slapped in the face, wake up..

That just isnt reasonable from a technical and optimization standpoint, this isnt a first person shooter..

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by zauii

I never expected the trees to look as detailed as the 3d models, that is unrealistic and anyone who ever expected that should be slapped in the face, wake up..

That just isnt reasonable from a technical and optimization standpoint, this isnt a first person shooter..

dont sell it short, oleg's own tree's 6 - 9 months ago looked very close to the real deal, good enough to be a major leap forward in the direction he intended (just go back and look at some of his late screenshots on that build)

the problem is that "at the point where the rubber meets the road" (pc demand versus pc realistic performance), his own creation ended up to demanding for mr-average's pc in consumer land in late 2010. it is at that point oleg replaced them with the uglier speed-tree's we have now, and it completely changed the look at low altitude or on the ground (but gave him the performance improvement he needed, so it served its purpose). this was an interim compromise he had to make, and i am confident that as BoB/SoW gets refined and improved over the years we will get the better ground cover back (maybe even in one of the free updates in 6 - 12 months time)

as you already seem to understand, the most important issue right now is that the core of the new game engine is present and functioning well, so it can be rapidly expanded on once they have further time to work on it after release (and pc hardware improves over the years), AND that they can get it "out the door" into eager consumer hands for a fanbase that has been waiting a long time. in that sense it is good a company like ubi which is only $ oriented helped to push a final date and compromise (do most of us here really want to wait another 2 yrs to get our hands on it ? i suspect not )

tree-uk on the other hand will perpetually whine and moan, its simply what he is, and he has no other purpose in being here. dont expect a rational informed perspective from him, it is not his intention or purpose.

[Fltlt_HardBall]

Fantastic shots, Oleg. It's truly a work of art!

However, the second screen shot seems to show the engine gauges of the BF-110 on the outer side of the engine cowling. That can't be right. Or is that cluster of three circular objects something else?

[Troll2k]

Those are breathing holes for the squirrels.

[Blackdog_kt]

Maybe the nacelles were interchangeable, so they had the instrument cut-outs in both sides? I don't know if this was historically the case, just a thought since it would make sense for ease of maintenance.

As for the quality of discussion here, i'm not even going to talk about the actual features, what we've been shown or not, or speculate about what will or won't be in the game.

The reason i won't is that most of the problems don't originate in people having different opinions, that's just fine. The problems come from people failing to realize that it's not what you think and say, but HOW.

Do i want to criticize something? Do i dislike something? Or do i disagree with the people who criticize and dislike things because i think nothing needs improvement and team Maddox are the gods of Olympus?

Fine, i can go ahead and tell the rest of you about it. I just don't have to scream and flail around like a headless chicken to make my point, because i'm not too bored to properly formulate an argument. People who usually go all dramatic on our a$$ are the ones who make the shortest posts, look around and you'll see it's true for the most part. The reason is that they want to make their point while typing as few words as possible and how can you do that? Easy, by using three or four "heavy" words instead of ten "normal" ones to add that "it must be true" tone to the argument, by which point a poster from the other opinion camp with equally poor posting habits will take the bait and gloriously rise to the occasion, and the circle continues


Case in point, the now famous quote from a few months ago. Instead of saying "the grass colour needs a bit of fine-tuning, here are my references" and provide some links (but hey, this means googling stuff up, those 10 precious seconds required to find 5 pics of British cow-grazing territory is too much work!), someone said "this looks like a children's drawing" and left it at that. In this case the guy honestly feels the grass needs tuning and it's just fine, he's entitled to his opinion, he wants to convince us, but he's too bored to actually tell us why (which begs the question "why should we care if doesn't care enough to tell us why", but that's another topic), so what does he do? Worry not, for here comes the drama to the rescue of the conversationally challenged! Then, a high priest from the church of Oleg will come along to banish him to simulator purgatory and the usual circle-j*rk antics begin anew

See, i can be a pungent, ironic b@stad as well. Having read this post up to this point, think about how it makes you feel about me and how it makes me look. Congratulations, you now know how you look to the rest of the forum

The bottom line is that some of you guys must learn that if you want people to take your opinion seriously, you'll have to type actual sentences and maybe even paragraphs in order to take out the "rough around the edges" feeling of a potentially disagreeable or criticizing post. Sorry, but one liners don't cut it for meaningful discussion and constructive criticism.
What's funnier is that the one-liner crowd are also the first to take offence to other people posting the same way, even when it's clear that it's due to a language barrier and the use of online translators, where it's actually ok to cut the poster some slack.

[JG52Uther]

You should both be banned IMO.Turn on the TV and see what happened in Moscow a few minutes ago,while you spit at each other.

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by JG52Uther

Turn on the TV and see what happened in Moscow a few minutes ago,while you spit at each other.

not another terrorist strike we hope ?

[zapatista]

yes, another terrorist attack

JG52Uther, its a bit flippant and disrespectful of the dead and wounded, by trivializing the event with your disproportionate comment here

however intentioned, its in poor taste

[nearmiss]

Guys all this off topic BS doesn't fly.

Take it somewhere else.

This thread will only stay open a couple hours after this posting, if posters don't get ON TOPIC.

[JG52Uther]

I think the trailer looks ok to me. Not the best I have ever seen,but I think it would get the attention of anyone interested in combat flight sims.Hopefully we will start seeing some up to date in game footage soon,on a good computer.