I Want my 4.09 Spit FM's back.........

[Rainmaker]

Please make Spitfire wings breakable in high speed dive. And its unrealistic and inpossible to see Spitfire following FW-190 or P-47 or P-51 in the high speed dive without breaking wings. The reason is: Spitfire got HUGE wings and cannons sticking out of it. Also, vertical climb with low speed (~150-160 km/h) without stalling - again inpossible and unrealistic due to the same reason, huge wings and cannons.

[Kwiatek]

Lol you surly dont know that Spits due to thier wing desing had higher mach number reached in dive then even P-51 or P-47

[swiss]

Originally Posted by Kwiatek

Lol you surly dont know that Spits due to thier wing desing had higher mach number reached in dive then even P-51 or P-47

Sure, but it takes them forever to build up speed.

[lane]

Originally Posted by swiss

Sure, but it takes them forever to build up speed.

According to the dive chart posted above it took 36.4 seconds to reach Mach .891 from 274 mph TAS ; that isn’t exactly forever. The AFDU did note, however, in comparing the Mustang III and Spitfire IX that “The Mustang III pulls away very rapidly in a slight dive.” It only stands to reason that eventually - evidently in about half a minute, the Spitfire IX would gain on the Mustang.

[swiss]

Originally Posted by lane

According to the dive chart posted above it took 36.4 seconds to reach Mach .891 from 274 mph TAS ; that isn’t exactly forever. The AFDU did note, however, in comparing the Mustang III and Spitfire IX that “The Mustang III pulls away very rapidly in a slight dive.” It only stands to reason that eventually - evidently in about half a minute, the Spitfire IX would gain on the Mustang.

Oh, ok.
Sure, the spit is best fighter ever built.
Turns better, outdives, and of course outruns any plane on the planet.

The holy grail of aircraft construction.


edit:
http://www.flightjournal.com/Media/M...ger/fw-190.pdf
nice read about the 190, he mentions the Spit 9 too.

[Erkki]

Originally Posted by swiss

Oh, ok.
Sure, the spit is best fighter ever built.
Turns better, outdives, and of course outruns any plane on the planet.

The holy grail of aircraft construction.


edit:
http://www.flightjournal.com/Media/M...ger/fw-190.pdf
nice read about the 190, he mentions the Spit 9 too.

Dont forget the magic elliptic antigravitation. War winning stuff.

[Nicholaiovitch]

Quote from “Gun Button to Fire” (Tom Neil – passage refers to May 1940…so Mk1)

“I forced down the nose and watched the speed rise rapidly – 300, then 350, finally 400. Everything tight and the starboard wing dropping. Hard left aileron now – it must be the radiator under one wing. I trimmed forward…..more, then more, working the rudder bias at the same time. God, I had never been so fast! 430!”

Interesting! This was his first flight in a Spitfire.

Nicholaiovitch

Edit:- Dive was started at 8000ft.

[Rainmaker]

Originally Posted by swiss

Sure, but it takes them forever to build up speed.

I agree with you, but they will tell you, "you are wrong" or "you are luftwhiner"

[Triggaaar]

Originally Posted by Rainmaker

Please make Spitfire wings breakable in high speed dive. And its unrealistic and inpossible to see Spitfire following FW-190 or P-47 or P-51 in the high speed dive without breaking wings. The reason is: Spitfire got HUGE wings and cannons sticking out of it.

So the reason you give is that it has HUGE wings and cannons. Not because you have any engineering understanding, or because you have read anywhere that their wings came off in high speed dives.

Originally Posted by swiss

Sure, but it takes them forever to build up speed.

Which model, and do you mean when diving, and compared to what?

Originally Posted by Rainmaker

I agree with you, but they will tell you, "you are wrong" or "you are luftwhiner"

Well if you make false statements with no evidence to backup your biased opinions, of course you're going to get criticised.

The Spitfire had disadvantages from some respects, like it didn't have a lot of ammunition, and it didn't have the range of fighters like the P51. But it was an excellent fighter. If you can find some documentation to show otherwise, let's see it. Or even the odd pilot account of it being below par would be a start.

[swiss]

Originally Posted by Triggaaar

Which model, and do you mean when diving, and compared to what?

Spit vs same generation 190.

btw, read the attached pdf