Tactics for Cliffs of Dover.

[DKoor]

Originally Posted by Sven

haha classic! I think there's going to be lots of those situations when I find my self in a dogfight, start gaining control, only to return when I see the fuel gauge dropping dangerously low

[Related to my previous post,] that scenario may interest you, me and few other die hards, but I assure you over 90% players don't want to fly 50-60 minutes for 5-10 minutes of action. And we are talking best case scenario because if you don't find anyone to shoot in those 10mins, and you most likely wont since there will probably be no organized groups of 20, 30+ players that will fly in packs and you can spot em from miles away, you must turn back and RTB. Sounds great! Especially when repeated.

I predict some kind of spawn 5 mins from target are or something... and that to be extremely popular option.

PS. sorry for my pessimism.

[Sven]

Originally Posted by DKoor

[Related to my previous post,] that scenario may interest you, me and few other die hards, but I assure you over 90% players don't want to fly 50-60 minutes for 5-10 minutes of action. And we are talking best case scenario because if you don't find anyone to shoot in those 10mins, and you most likely wont since there will probably be no organized groups of 20, 30+ players that will fly in packs and you can spot em from miles away, you must turn back and RTB. Sounds great! Especially when repeated.

I predict some kind of spawn 5 mins from target are or something... and that to be extremely popular option.

PS. sorry for my pessimism.

Not talking about a dogfight server mate, but a co-op where we try to re-enact a battle, ( Squad vs Squad ,or multiple) sure you're right it wouldn't fit a quick arcade action server. I wouldn't like to see that on a regular server as well, but if you take a look at the Spits vs 109 server, that's what I think is the best, lots of ground action, action not far away but also not very close, and comes a lot closer to reality then just a regular dogfight server.

[Tacoma74]

I'll be flying German kites mostly... more specifically the Bf-109E3. They have several key advantages over that of the Hurricane and the Spit: A direct injection system, better dive, better climb, and far superior armament. However, it takes a good pilot to really take advantage of its advantages as it is a cruel bitch to tame. And the 109 was never designed to fly slow, it's at its peak performance at higher speeds. The tactics in the beginning of the BoB for the Luftwaffe was to fly the 109s in ahead of the bombers and keep their airspeed up, making it a much more effective weapon. But then Goering ordered them to stick with the bombers, which means they had to fly alot slower... thus making the act of engaging the enemy a much harder task. When the enemy was spotted you don't have near enough airspeed and momentum to make the necessary combat maneuvers making a nice target for any Spits or Hurris that get in behind you. This was one of the key tactical failures for the Luftwaffe.

So my suggestion for any Bf-109 pilot is to get plenty of altitude, keep your speed up (400km/h and up i would say)... go in fast ahead of your bombers, and when you spot the enemy use one of your planes key advantages: climb climb climb! (unless you already have a good altitude advantage) But it's crutial to keep that airspeed up above 300km/h and your throttle way up in the climb. Hopefully it'll put you in a good position to dive in right behind em... and with a bit of flying and shooting skills you should be pretty successful. If you happen to run into trouble, just throw that stick forward and dive out of harms way. Those Merlin powered birds have a lot of trouble with negative G forces.

[Richie]

You guy's should watch the whole thing. Actually I would like to send it to Oleg or Ilya to watch. 3 minutes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8FsRU0fv_A

[Tacoma74]

Originally Posted by Richie

You guy's should watch the whole thing. Actually I would like to send it to Oleg or Ilya to watch.

I did.. very interesting perspective that was told. Many Brits feared the 109, they saw what it could do in Poland and France. In the end it was the poor tactics and organization that lead to the Luftwaffe's demise. Not this time around though

[kimosabi]

I think we need some 190's. I need my easy escape route.

[Triggaaar]

Originally Posted by Tacoma74

I'll be flying German kites mostly... more specifically the Bf-109E3. They have several key advantages over that of the Hurricane and the Spit: A direct injection system, better dive, better climb, and far superior armament.

Your points on the fuel system and superior diving match what I've read, but I'm not so sure about climb rates. Where are you getting the data from? According to wwiiaircraftperformance.org (and I have no idea how accurate it is, but a few here have pointed to it) the BoB Spits are faster than the 109s and climb at least as well:
http://www.spitfireperformance.com/spit1vrs109e.html
on that page the climb rate is shown as about the same for the standard MkI Spit, and I assume the 12lb boost model would be a lot better. Speed wise the standard Spit is slower at many altitudes, but at it's optimal altitude the Spit is faster. The 12lb boost Spit is faster than the 109s at all altitudes.

I'm not suggesting that information is definitive, feel free to post any other relevant information.

[kimosabi]

Ta.

[Xilon_x]

Germany had a quantity 'number of aircraft far superior to the British.
Germany in those conditions, the winning ratio was 60 to 40 will
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british for my opinion have good luck in battle of brittain and germany not use massive and total 100% powers.

[Xilon_x]

German bombing tactics and strategy in the battle of brittain is = to examples italian GENERAL Giulio Douhet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giulio_Douhet