Friday 2010-11-19 Dev. update and Discussion

[Sutts]

A quick question Oleg please....

It's my understanding that .303 ammo would at best make lots of small holes in an airframe and hopefully some of those holes would be in vital equipment and fuel and oil lines which could be ignited by the incendiary rounds. I also remember you saying that in SoW rifle caliber ammo will make a small hole exactly where it hits while cannon shells will produce more visible damage such as the large holes and torn skin we see in the He 111 shot.

What I'm wondering is what produced the damage we see in that shot of the heavily damaged He 111? There is a .303 equipped Spitfire behind it but the damage is not consistent with those guns.

Was it flak perhaps or another cannon armed Spitfire nearby?


Thanks!

[ATAG_Dutch]

Originally Posted by Sutts

A quick question Oleg please....

It's my understanding that .303 ammo would at best make lots of small holes in an airframe and hopefully some of those holes would be in vital equipment and fuel and oil lines which could be ignited by the incendiary rounds. I also remember you saying that in SoW rifle caliber ammo will make a small hole exactly where it hits while cannon shells will produce more visible damage such as the large holes and torn skin we see in the He 111 shot.

What I'm wondering is what produced the damage we see in that shot of the heavily damaged He 111? There is a .303 equipped Spitfire behind it but the damage is not consistent with those guns.

Was it flak perhaps or another cannon armed Spitfire nearby?


Thanks!

There was only one squadron operating cannon armed 1b's during the battle, and these usually jammed, to the extent that 19 squadron demanded their .303's back.
Eight .303's toed in to converge at a point at 200 yards have more effect than people tend to give them credit for.

[Sutts]

Originally Posted by Dutch_851

There was only one squadron operating cannon armed 1b's during the battle, and these usually jammed, to the extent that 19 squadron demanded their .303's back.
Eight .303's toed in to converge at a point at 200 yards have more effect than people tend to give them credit for.

I guess 8 rapidly firing guns might be able to put a lot of lead in one area. I can see panels popping off under such a barrage. What I can't see is large holes appearing in the skin which to me is more consistent with an explosive charge exploding on contact or beneath the skin.

The few photos I've seen of German aircraft downed during the BoB show lots of small holes and tears in the skin. The holes often look larger due to the flaking paint around the entry hole. Skin may lift due to rivets popping but I haven't seen big holes caused by .303s yet.

Would be nice to see some real life damage shots posted here if anyone has any please.

Cheers

[Daniël]

Originally Posted by Sutts

I guess 8 rapidly firing guns might be able to put a lot of lead in one area. I can see panels popping off under such a barrage. What I can't see is large holes appearing in the skin which to me is more consistent with an explosive charge exploding on contact or beneath the skin.

The few photos I've seen of German aircraft downed during the BoB show lots of small holes and tears in the skin. The holes often look larger due to the flaking paint around the entry hole. Skin may lift due to rivets popping but I haven't seen big holes caused by .303s yet.

Would be nice to see some real life damage shots posted here if anyone has any please.

Cheers

In one of the privious Friday updates there were some nice pictures of damage to planes posted by Xilon X, but I don't know which Friday update.

[swiss]

Cowl Flaps - key mapping

I hope the cf are not mapped again to a single key, for most ppl only use two positions; open or closed.

I would really welcome if they were mapped to an axis, or alternatively, you can choose the positions you use, and toggle between then.

Like:

Pos1: X
Pos2:
Pos3:
Pos4:
Pos5:
Pos6: X

Toggle: X

so you could toggle between 1 and 6 with only one key.

[Osprey]

Originally Posted by He111

Polish Sqn 303 (not to be confussed with the gun) were famous for setting their guns at 100 yards and shooting germans down in quick order at that range. There was a doco done, poles were shafted in more ways than one in that war especially by allies!

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When I read this complete ignorance it just makes me wish we (Britain) hadn't sent out the BEF in the first place when Hitler invaded Poland.

It beggars belief that some Poles seem to think that Britain and her allies was obliged to take on the Soviets in 1945 and free up Poland, like we could, needed to or wanted to anyway. We (Britain) bankrupted ourselves and let go of an Empire in order to fight Germany, sacrificing many people from the Commonwealth in the process. But the most galling of all is the contempt and disrespect you show those who died fighting for this. A thoroughly twisted and obtuse perspective you have He111.


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[He111]

Originally Posted by Osprey

When I read this complete ignorance it just makes me wish we (Britain) hadn't sent out the BEF in the first place when Hitler invaded Poland.

It beggars belief that some Poles seem to think that Britain and her allies was obliged to take on the Soviets in 1945 and free up Poland, like we could, needed to or wanted to anyway. We (Britain) bankrupted ourselves and let go of an Empire in order to fight Germany, sacrificing many people from the Commonwealth in the process. But the most galling of all is the contempt and disrespect you show those who died fighting for this. A thoroughly twisted and obtuse perspective you have He111.

What are you raving about toss-pot? It was all in the doco, at the end of the war when all the allies marched in Victory celebrations, the Poles were not allowed to, thanks to Churchill who was scared of annoying the soviets. It's very sad that the Poles proved themselves more than adequate in the BOB but few are willing to acknowledge that! You have a serious attitude problem.

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[Ibis]

Will pilots bailing out still be trying their sky diving skills as in the screen shot or will they do as they actually did and tumble from the aircraft?
Looking fantastic by the way.
I'll be in the line up to buy as soon as it is released.
cheers,
Ibis.

[Triggaaar]

Originally Posted by He111

What are you raving about toss-pot? It was all in the doco, at the end of the war when all the allies marched in Victory celebrations, the Poles were not allowed to, thanks to Churchill who was scared of annoying the soviets. It's very sad that the Poles proved themselves more than adequate in the BOB but few are willing to acknowledge that! You have a serious attitude problem.

What is this doco you refer to? And who doesn't recognise how good the Poles were in the BoB - they were among the best pilots with the most experience, and anyone in Britain who knows anything about the war is aware of that (have you seen the film BoB?).

What exactly are you suggesting that Churchill did wrong?

[ATAG_Dutch]

Originally Posted by Triggaaar

What is this doco you refer to? And who doesn't recognise how good the Poles were in the BoB - they were among the best pilots with the most experience, and anyone in Britain who knows anything about the war is aware of that (have you seen the film BoB?).

What exactly are you suggesting that Churchill did wrong?

Not wanting to inflame yet another slanging match, but I saw the documentary. It was part of a series showing the importance of the participation of foreign nationals in many of Britain's conflicts throughout history. Quite well done and informative.

It discussed the diplomatic embarrassment of Churchill, having commited in 1940 to restoring all European borders and governments, being unable to do so in the case of the subsequent 'Eastern Bloc' including Poland.
He's correct in that the Poles were not allowed to participate in the Victory marches, in spite of their outstanding contribution to the overall victory.
A sad circumstance brought about by diplomatic failures. I don't think He111 suggested that the Cold War should have been warmed up a bit, just that it was sad about the ignoring of the Poles at the parades.

I also don't think anyone with any knowledge of WWII worth speaking of would either underestimate or belittle the Poles from any perspective.