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My 5870 runs everything I have great, RoF being the most demanding (maybe) with IL2 (modded) not being much of a challenge. Planning on a second 5870 when the rig starts to slow down - or I wind up with some bored cash - lol. I've been very happy with it and recommend it highly. The drivers, by the way, are well developed, if you were wondering.
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First, thanks to you all again for your comments.
I'd like to keep this on the GPUs but of course, related system comments are helpful. I have been building this spec for a few weeks with a limited budget in mind. In cutting edge terms it's a moderate system as I always seem to build ![]() ![]() Triggaar, I usually build my own. I proposed my parts list to Scan, looking for a discount ![]() The o/c comes as part of the package. I can't find the one that most closely matched my offer, it was there a few days ago: http://3xs.scan.co.uk/Category.asp?S...rCategoryID=20 I think I'm likely to wait the rest of this month to hear about the 6970 "due for release in November". It should top the 5870 and is optimised for Tesselation although Oleg has just stated that SoW doesn't use Tesselation but "could be considered for about 4-5 years time upgrade" if I interpret him correctly. See last Fridays Update post. Hecke I'm only guessing but I don't know that unused Tesselation capability will free up any resources for the other graphics needs. dduff442 I'm not experienced enough at o/c a GPU. I tried with my 2 7800GTs but didn't get far before artifacts and temperature began to give problems. maclean525 The AMD website stated a 500W PSU for a 5870 system and I went 600w to allow for one more 5870 in the future. I have a 750w in the cupboard but it doesn't have four 6pin PCIe lines (although I think I can adapt the molex 4 pins for a second card). I'll look at a larger PSU though. Mind you I think the 6000 series take less power so it may depend on my final GPU decision. The cooler comes as part of the bundle, fitted tested and working - have you seen the size of that cooler??!! ![]() I agree on price drops, in the short/medium term the 5970, 580, etc won't drop into my budget although I might save a little money waiting for the new stuff to hit the market. But my fingers are itching ![]() Badaim keeping my 7200rpm WDS's instead of getting the SSD would save me £120 but wouldn't help with buying a 5970 or 580 which are double the price of what I am considering. So I'll take the faster load and hopefully a few less 'new aicraftr joined' etc pauses. Anyway FSX takes 2 full minutes to load off my current HDDs ![]() The latest videos from Oleg are pretty impressive on what he seems to refer to as modest system and I would take that right now on a 5870 if it will. JG52Krupi stop bragging ! ![]() Everyone else Thanks.
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![]() Where did you get that 13th December date from? I keep coming up against a wall of silence or "can't say due to Non Disclosure Agreements". Flanker yes power and heat are one of my (secondary) drivers SQB Thanks for that but I found Toms Hardare website and several others placed the 6870 below the 5870 on gaming tests and one of those sites had similar benchmark results to your link but said "benchmarks aren't everything" (don't necessarily reflect the real world of gaming). You're right about the price but I can afford either so it's down to what will run SoW best out of the two. If the 6970 is going to cost much more than the 5870 it's looking like a straight choice for me between 6870 and 5870. Both have their advantages. The 5970, 480GTX and 580 are beyond my reach. btw I did check the card lengths which is one reason why I chose that case.
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yes, that is true, benchmarks dont reflect everything. truth is the 5870 is i teeny weeny bit better, but nothing to make it worth the extra 100 bucks. All this benchmark shows is the difference is so marginal sometimes the "worse" card beats the "better" one.
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Thanks Triggaaar,
that's really depressing. I read through a fair bit of that thread and several of the links. It seems a fair bet the 6970 won't be out before Christmas unless AMD are sandbagging a little. I now have to decide whether to go 5870 or get the rig minus the Graphics card and throw in my 7800GTs and wait until the 6970 is available. At least then I will know the performance and the price. Or can I be patient enough to wait until Q1 2011. Would probably make sense. Prices may have dropped on the 5870 if the 6970 doesn't turn out to be as good as the hype. Or not. nnnnnngggg.... I want it now! ![]()
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2x 6850 is pretty nice, perfomance & price wise.
Or just wait untill the 5870 & 5970 replacements are out, 5870/5970 should be cheap to get then. |
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I thought I'd pop back in here and let you know what I decided which I also posted in the "Good thing SOW is Nvidia's friendly !" thread.
How quickly things can change in just a month! I have decided on the EVGA Superclocked 570GTX (even these were only recently released). After all the hype over the 6970, released on Wednesday, I've spent the past three days poring over the reviews. I have been steered by the written reviews but this link shows graphically what many are saying. http://www.pcinlife.com/article_phot...game/total.png Call of Duty is interesting because I believe it is OpenGL which is IL-2 country but these cards should spank IL-2 anyway. The Directx/3D table at the bottom looks at Directx/3D. All the reviews are pointing to a couple of general conclusions. General: the 6970 targets the 570GTX. The 6950 pitches in between the 480GTX (in some reviews although I think that should have said 460GTX) and the 570GTX. The 6990 will target the 580GTX. Performance: Below 1900 resolution the 570GTX has the edge on the 6970. However, if Tesselation is in use the 6970 wins (but SoW won't have Tesselation). At 1900 its a bit of a toss-up. Above 1900 the 6970 takes over. Power and Heat: Power consumption of the 6970 and 570 at stock speeds is very similar although one report put the 6970 as the higher of the two on higher resolutions/game demands. The 570 edged the 6970 out by something like 30w and 10 degrees under heavy load in one review which also found that two 6970s in Crossfire might lead to heat problems if they are very close, depending on the motherboard/ventilation. Price: Not much between the 570 and the 6970 depending on which supplier/badge you pick. My position is: 1680x1050 resolution and not likely to change in the next 2-3 years; New PC is overclocked from 3GHz to 4.2GHz so heat is a point to watch; My budget is £300, squeeezable to £350 in a very cause cause. I am not a fanboy. I was very happy with my ATI 9600GT and have been very happy with my NV 7800GTs. As much as I wanted to believe the hype and buy a shiny new 570GTX-killing 6970, that did not come to pass so for me its the 570GTX. It was a fine-line decision. Ultimately it came down to what would best meet "My Position". Add to that the fact that Oleg is developing SoW using Nvidia cards, which may have a sliver of an effect, and the EVGA stock 570GTX review I found that put it ahead of stock 570 cards without even o/clocking and I reckon that the Superclocked EVGA is the best choice for me. Can't wait to get my hands on my little beauty:- Scan.co.uk 3XS SLIK i7 X58 950 BlackOps Bundle, tailored, comprising:- Asus Sabertooth motherboard, Intel X58 chipset, Socket 1366, PCI-E 2.0 , DDR3 1866MHz, USB3/SATA 6Gb/s, SATA RAID, ATX Intel Core i7 950 Bloomfield 45nm, 3.06 GHz, QPI 4.8GT/s, 8MB Cache, 23x Ratio, 130W, Retail, o/c to 4.2GHz Prolimatech Megahalems Rev B,Super 6 Heatpipe Tower Cooler (Fanless, cooled by case roof fan) EVGA Superclocked 570GTX 128GB Crucial RealSSD C300, MLC-Flash, SATA3 6Gbps, 2.5" SSD, Read 355MB/s, Write 70MB/s 6GB (3x2GB) Corsair Dominator, DDR3 PC3-12800 (1600), CAS 8-8-8-24, DHX, XMP, New connector, 1.65V Coolermaster HAF 912 Plus, Black, Mid Tower Case 750W Corsair HX Series Modular PSU 2 x 120mm Akasa Apache Ultra Silent Fan HDB Bearing PWM fan w/4 pin connector & Rubber Pins Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64 Bit, Operating System, Single, - OEM Acronis True Image 2010 sofware Built and Overclocked to 4.2GHz, Tested and Heat Soaked 1 year on site Warranty plus 1 year rtb
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