Friday 2010-10-29 Dev. update and Discussion

[ElAurens]

Originally Posted by SaQSoN

Wow! Rubber planes! I love that!

Exactly

Originally Posted by domain

What 100$? You could buy the planes from 2,90$ at the special sale.

Just looking at the web store tonight, to get the 14 aircaft I don't have would cost $106.68, three times the cost of the original sim.

P.T. Barnum was right.

To be fair there were things I did find to my liking about RoF. The 3D models are excellent. The FMs by and large are believable. The dogfighting was fun. But for me the pluses did not outweigh the minuses, and coupled with a totally hair brained business model I could not see continuing my support of a sim that I orginally had very high hopes, and large support, for. Lots of others feel the same way I might add.

And I was correct about the attack of the zombie fan boys. All too predictable. And sad really.

[BadAim]

I only just bought ROF recently (the ICE edition). I am not allowed to talk about my previous experience with the game, but I will say my opinion has changed and I think that the new version with Eight planes and it's current level of sophistication and smoothness is a fair buy.

I was also not very impressed by the business model either, but have since changed my mind. WWI is not conducive to the add on style that Oleg uses, the only way that they can have continuing revenue for game development is the model they are using, and they are developing and improving the game, and everyone gets the benefit of that.

I'm only talking about ROF on this forum because I feel that it is a complimentary product, not a competitive one, and that comparisons are valid. (I will concede that while I consider the damage model to be superb, a hard crash kind of looks goofy. There are limits as to what can be done with a computer)

I won't comment on this any further.

[BadAim]

I wish people would stop quoting Hecke, so I don't have to see his banal and senseless posts. I wish the Ignore function on this forum extended to quotes, so that I can completely eliminate my contact with people that are just too stupid to deal with here. I have to deal with idiots all the time at work and I'd just as soon not waste my free time on them.

Come to think of it I wish I had an ignore button at work.......

[arjisme]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

To be fair there were things I did find to my liking about RoF. The 3D models are excellent. The FMs by and large are believable. The dogfighting was fun. But for me the pluses did not outweigh the minuses, and coupled with a totally hair brained business model I could not see continuing my support of a sim that I orginally had very high hopes, and large support, for. Lots of others feel the same way I might add.

But what does any of this have to do with the original point that RoF models 3D grass and wouldn't it be great if SoW did too?

And I was correct about the attack of the zombie fan boys. All too predictable. And sad really.

Originally Posted by arjisme

LOL, btw, at your invoking "fanboi (tm)" as a preemptive argument! It's a standard tactic in gaming forums after all...

What's sad is your repeated use of this logical fallacy.

[ElAurens]

The reason I pointed out the post about the grass in RoF is that RoF is held up as an example of a very good piece of work, and frankly it is far from it IMHO.

You like it, and that's fine. I don't, but for some reason that's not fine with you. Curious double standard you have there.

I have never purchased a flight sim just to help support the genre, except for RoF, and after my total let down, I never will again.

Now, I am done jousting with you fan boys about RoF.

Have a good night, and on to better things.

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Originally Posted by ElAurens

The reason I pointed out the post about the grass in RoF is that RoF is held up as an example of a very good piece of work, and frankly it is far from it IMHO.

You like it, and that's fine. I don't, but for some reason that's not fine with you. Curious double standard you have there.

I have never purchased a flight sim just to help support the genre, except for RoF, and after my total let down, I never will again.

Now, I am done jousting with you fan boys about RoF.

Have a good night, and on to better things.

I'm just curious, what did you not like about RoF?

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[Richie]

Originally Posted by Rodolphe

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BTW, I don't think this "Spitfire ditching at sea" animation is doing much better than the above "Crash Test videos" of RoF.


Crystal wings with Iron Man fuselage.

Watch at the very end (1'20") of this video .

Where do these wings go ?

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This Spitfire is probably traveling at a speed of at least 220 mph so as soon as he hits the water the ripped off wings will catch tons of air and be braked. The fuselage would carry on further. The wings are back behind the Spitfire.

[150GCT_Veltro]

Wow! Rubber planes! I love that!

Originally Posted by ElAurens

Exactly

Exactly what? What Vladimir said about "rubber" planes? Please tell us where you see rubber planes here or "realisitc DM not calculated":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_j3UcSELlqo

Simple you say something that's not true.

Landscape and grass in RoF are really great (at least at low altitude), and you don't need DX10 or a Goldrake's PC to run it. In spite of this, you can also calculate advanced FM and DM.

SoW will be better? Probably it will, but it will be probably also the best sim ever.

[SaQSoN]

Originally Posted by 150GCT_Veltro

Exactly what? What Vladimir said about "rubber" planes? Please tell us where you see rubber planes here or "realisitc DM not calculated":

If you think, this is realistic, you, probably, haven't seen even a model plane crashes, leave along real wood+fabric planes.

It really makes me laugh, seeing a 500-600 kg plane hit ground almost vertically with at least 80 km/h speed and stops immediately, just some wings and tail bend a little.

IRL, in the same situation, you'd find a piece of tail, may be some outer wing pieces and a lot of very small debris, which were fuselage and centerwings, in a crater, made by the engine, while the engine itself will be somewhere 1-2 m under the ground. And this is in the case, the fuel wouldn't ignite by impact (possible). Otherwise all the above would form a nice smoky bonfire.

Verdict: rubber planes

[undercut]

I think these physics in RoF look great...If you want to experience true to life plane crashes go to your local flying club, take an introductory flight.. and crash the plane into the ground.