Wow, just wow. NO Demonesses in my game.

[ckdamascus]

Originally Posted by DGDobrev

ckdamascus - I rarely used girl power items for a girl power army... However, I can see how 2 dresses of magess can be appealing for a different style of play - I would easily go for a more offensive style of play as well.

There are many strong points towards using a girl power army, but there are many problems. The girl power army can beat up a lot of enemies with ease - problem is, they have big problems against dragons (wicked magic resistance), other level 5 units (target doesn't affect them) and bosses (many will hit them anyway). On the positive note, any army composed of level 1-4 units (and some level 5 units with poor magic resistance) bites the dust in record time. Simply cast stone skin and target on the high-level tanker unit (like rune magi, paladins, etc.) and all done

In general, all a girl power army needs is Agvares. The rest is just a bonus - not to mention that he actually has a number of really useful item slots (weapon, dress/armor, belt/gloves, artifact).

Not to mention it's a lot of fun playing with them

I never had a good reason to pick Agvares until now and I wasn't even really thinking girl power despite the strong synergy. Yes, my primary reason is actually his item slots.

I required someone who could hold a weapon and a belt, which narrowed it down to Moldok, Moro Dark, and Agvares.

Since I was going demonic, Agvares had that slight edge with the demonesses. The double dress thing is a big plus too. I even got two of those "Advisors Dress" items spawned, but clearly the Dress of the Magess (sic) is superior.

I don't have twinkling, but I have slippery cuirass, so more armor slots the better. The artifact slot is good too.

I hope this works...

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Ugh, I'm a fool. I was trying so hard to beat the final level of the Wizard's Tower to get the initial seed of Demonesses when it just hit me.

I could just get the initial seed from the Lake Faeries! It would prevent me from using trophies, but I am getting more certain that it was only designed for this purpose and that growing was meant to be done via Sacrifice.

I do regret getting Diplomacy now though. Sacrificing is much easier than I originally thought. Bleh. I guess I did not waste too many runes.

[BB Shockwave]

Jimmy Kraud can use a dress too, if you give him the Blood of the Goddess. (And also grants you +700 Leadership).

Ckdamaskus: I meant, as opposed to The Legend. I played it recently, and afterwards sometimes I have to remind myself that these units have changed.

[ckdamascus]

Originally Posted by BB Shockwave

Jimmy Kraud can use a dress too, if you give him the Blood of the Goddess. (And also grants you +700 Leadership).

Ckdamaskus: I meant, as opposed to The Legend. I played it recently, and afterwards sometimes I have to remind myself that these units have changed.

Ah, good to know. I didn't know he would uh... cross dress after imbibing such fluids.

Oooh, I never played The Legend.

[Metathron]

Originally Posted by ckdamascus

Oooh, I never played The Legend.

C.K.!! Wash that filthy mouth of yours with soap!

Or better yet, play the game!

[DGDobrev]

I second metathron's suggestion The legend may lack a lot of the new additions presented to us in KBAP and KBCW, but it was then when all the basic KB strategies started to take shape - the girl power army, my favorite lineup (Knights, Horsemen, Archmagi, Inquisitors, Royal Thorns/Cannoneers), playing a lot of turns to get a no-loss (which was harder back then, but attainable if you're willing to sacrifice some time) and so on. The lovely wives you had to choose from (except for Gerda, cough-cough!) were less than all the armor-bearers Amelie has to choose from, but they had some really great slots - who could forget the alluring and dashing demoness Xeona with her 2 WEAPON slots! Damn, she was the best catch for pretty much every character - including mage - who wouldn't want to wield 3 weapons that provide intelligence bonuses - much better than the +3 int bonus frog princess girl

[BB Shockwave]

Originally Posted by DGDobrev

I second metathron's suggestion The legend may lack a lot of the new additions presented to us in KBAP and KBCW, but it was then when all the basic KB strategies started to take shape - the girl power army, my favorite lineup (Knights, Horsemen, Archmagi, Inquisitors, Royal Thorns/Cannoneers), playing a lot of turns to get a no-loss (which was harder back then, but attainable if you're willing to sacrifice some time) and so on. The lovely wives you had to choose from (except for Gerda, cough-cough!) were less than all the armor-bearers Amelie has to choose from, but they had some really great slots - who could forget the alluring and dashing demoness Xeona with her 2 WEAPON slots! Damn, she was the best catch for pretty much every character - including mage - who wouldn't want to wield 3 weapons that provide intelligence bonuses - much better than the +3 int bonus frog princess girl

I have to disagree! Fiona was awesome... for my Paladin, who selfishly neglected her until she turned back into a frog. Making my Royal Snakes uber-powerfull... Then next time, my necromancer Mage used Rina... giving her back the ring that turns her into a Zombie.

And thus, in both of my walkthroughs, I never had to bother with raising children, with a frog or a zombie as my wife...

CK - What I like in Demons/Executioners (and hate if I am against them) is that they were MADE to rush into the front lines, and every time you hit them, they not only hit back, but with a good chance can act again against you in that round! I'm glad I am a Paladin, using Paladins... they will come in handy against those fiends. Archdemons are more hit and run then tanks, IMHO. 666 is a neat number for them, but little as HP, and unless you fight on lava they have not much defense. They rock against dragons, and they can decimate smaller stacks, and the best is of course, just like in HOMMIII, their speed and teleportation, you can do a lot of hit and run - attacking an enemy at the end of the turn, then teleporting away to another at the beginning of the turn. Only Phoenixes are faster, I think.

Btw... God Armour works on Demons? Because it did not affect Undead in The Legend... thought it would not work on Demons either.

[ckdamascus]

Originally Posted by BB Shockwave

CK - What I like in Demons/Executioners (and hate if I am against them) is that they were MADE to rush into the front lines, and every time you hit them, they not only hit back, but with a good chance can act again against you in that round! I'm glad I am a Paladin, using Paladins... they will come in handy against those fiends. Archdemons are more hit and run then tanks, IMHO. 666 is a neat number for them, but little as HP, and unless you fight on lava they have not much defense. They rock against dragons, and they can decimate smaller stacks, and the best is of course, just like in HOMMIII, their speed and teleportation, you can do a lot of hit and run - attacking an enemy at the end of the turn, then teleporting away to another at the beginning of the turn. Only Phoenixes are faster, I think.

Btw... God Armour works on Demons? Because it did not affect Undead in The Legend... thought it would not work on Demons either.

Sure, but Demons are soft. They die verrry easily due to low HP. They are excellent as disposable units. So, they are fairly ideal for phantoming and dropping them into enemy lines.

Maybe things were really different in The Legend, but, they have 766 HP, they also have 66 native defense, the 3rd highest in the game, (black dragon has 70, cyclops has 67), 20% physical resistance, which is nearly the 2nd highest in the game, not counting ghosts.

Phoenixes are slower. Archdemons are the fastest unit in the game. If the enemy stack is not ungodly powerful, I will typically stoneskin the Archdemon, position the Archdemon in enemy lines, and summon a phoenix next to him.

I don't see the point in hitting and running. He is NOT a no retaliation unit. This is not HOMMIII. He burns an enemy counter attack so my Phoenix can hit for free and hit the adjacent enemies for free. (since now the enemy is really strong, and I cannot buff the Phoenix with defensive spells, their counterattacks would hurt the phoenix tremendously).

Even the Demoness has a better damage per leadership than the Demon (against level 4s and level 5s).

However, the Demons are extremely tenacious due to infinite retaliations. So, no problem. My Demons summon other, disposable Demons for me.

Yes, Divine Armor works on Archdemons and Demons... probably the entire Demonic race.

Sort of scary when you face an enemy stack that is strong enough to generate a kill off of a 95% physical resist Archdemon though.

Another benefit of the Archdemon as a tank is his ability to purge negative effects. You have no idea how often I got pissed when my Super Troll Stack would burn away a troll every round because he got hit by some stupid catapult.

I would have to either phantom a rune mage to revive, or burn a dispel on him or do both. Now, I don't have to, since Archdemons will remove it for free in the beginning of the next round.

Curiously enough, if the 3rd best defensive unit, with the 2nd highest physical resist unit isn't a good enough tank, what is? Not everyone wants to go Humans (Paladins and Knights probably being the better tanks at 30% physical resist and SCALING defense that goes up to... similar levels as the Archdemon after quite a few hits. )

(Cyclops cannot be revived, short of Turn Back Time level 3, Black Dragon cannot be pre-buffed, so he will definitely take losses against insane physical stacks). Paladins have 30% physical resists.

[onepiece]

@BBShockwave; that's the reason I still play with them (even when they are very weak on the later parts but love their poisoning and no retaliation). Loved the double attack to them (I'm still dreaming of a pure snake & spider team, it only lacks a level 4-5 unit to run havoc on this land!)

ArchDemons, and demons in general, are good for exactly that, hit and run, crowd control and counter some enemies with it's abilities. Very weak against paladin with paladins (duhh) and the sword of light and holy anger (now that's a lot less defense; from 66 to 38 )