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10-20-2010, 02:27 AM
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I can see from your first answer that you are not that up on European history as you think. Please read some history from the Austrian point of view  At the very least learn about Italy sending troops to the border when Hitler wanted to annex Austria in '34 and the civil war there. Also, I know you would be surprised that Yugoslav troops were also brought to the border at the same time. They were not ready for war but took very simple decisive action that stopped Hitler in his tracks. Do you really think the French Army in 1939 could not do the same thing?This conversation was quite interesting Swiss!!! I am a lot less American than you think. European History was one of my fields of study and all of my ancestors come from Austria-Hungary areas. Don't be so hard on American knowledge of history or geography either! I have met many Euros who are just as UNknowledgeable (I don't want to say ignorant)!!! Our families could have been neighbors at some point 
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10-20-2010, 05:15 AM
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If we go back far enough we might even share a mother.
BTT: I have no idea what you're talking about. Austria always wanted to reunite with Germany - but as state with equal rights rather than being annexed(sp?). Sure there was some resistance from the KPÖ and some other intellectuals, but that's it. And what civil war in 34? The Julyputsch? What's you point?
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10-20-2010, 08:12 PM
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Swiss, I hope you realize that not everyone in the Sudetenland was ethnically German. Thousands and thousands of people were forced to migrate.
Also, I'm far from an expert at this, but the Holy Roman Empire was not a modern state as such. Its not an equivalent to modern Germany which was unified in 1871, and didn't include Bohemia. I'm still completely at a loss as to how anyone can fault us for starting the was in the Pacific. We should be forced to trade with a country slaughtering millions in China  Thats stinks of rank irrational hatred of the US. We did not blockade Japan, meaning to prevent others from trading with them.
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10-21-2010, 12:25 AM
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10-21-2010, 01:08 AM
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The Austrian were convinced they are too small too survive on their own. You could try to google translate the German version of the wiki article, which is excellent. http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anschlu...zer-programm-4
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10-20-2010, 08:46 PM
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There are many theories of what could have been done during the phoney war and prior to that... the fact remains is that no one, including the USA (if you know your own political history up to 7th Dec 1941) was prepared for any war, except the Germans... they'd been preparing for years. The nazi party had a very effective intimidation network that work well locally, as well as internationally. Albert Speer did say that if the allies attacked just after the Poland invasion they'd be 'wiped out', but the German bluff was so good that everyone shat themselves. If you do research the WW2 scenario a bit you will find the most effective campaigns were preceded by disinformation and doubt, on both sides. The real warnings were sounded by the spy networks on both sides, but these were mostly ignored until too late.
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10-21-2010, 12:43 AM
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I don't want to get in a tit for tat argument here!!! My point is that France, backed up by GB, Italy and other "Allied" countries could have stopped Hitler very easily if some decisive action was taken in the early 30's....this was my whole comment that a few hundred lives lost in the early thirties could have averted the European World War with Germany. Now the Soviet Union is another thing! Sure I know about deception, doubt and disinformation! Sometimes this can backfire...can you imagine Saddam Husseins reaction when he learned that the Allies were mobilizing to come to the aid of Kuwait! Priceless
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10-21-2010, 01:15 AM
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http://www.jstor.org/pss/1801938 Next thing you tell me is the US actually won the Vietnam War? Quote:
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But I don't have too many infos on the pacific war, I guess I'll do some research during the next few days. Last edited by swiss; 10-21-2010 at 01:22 AM.
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10-21-2010, 01:21 AM
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. But our heart wasn't in it. We weren't willing to do what it would take to actually win politically....too many civilian deaths would be involved. The North Vietnamese knew this and exploited it very well...just put those AA installations next to a school.We used to give out t-shirts to our baseball players when I coached. They said "Go Hard or Go Home". Too bad politicians don't always understand such a simple concept. Damned hippies.... Splitter
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10-21-2010, 01:24 AM
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