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Old 10-17-2010, 10:13 PM
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In actual fact democracy only works in educated relatively well off first world countries such as the US. Democracy does not work in the third world.
Shocking view of the world. Smells of typical European elitism. I think you need to do some research about Democracy and you will see the huge amount of benefits that this system has. Do you think this country was a Super Power when it was founded??????????

America acts the way it does today because we were dragged into 2 World Wars and the next would be an even worse catastrophe. The same reason we stayed in Europe, Japan, . Korea, etc.
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Old 10-18-2010, 03:22 AM
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Maybe I'm clueless what group needed to be controlled? The group with the AKs or the group with the RPGs
The two religious groups - your description fits pretty well.
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Old 10-18-2010, 03:34 AM
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Shocking view of the world. Smells of typical European elitism. I think you need to do some research about Democracy and you will see the huge amount of benefits that this system has. Do you think this country was a Super Power when it was founded??????????

America acts the way it does today because we were dragged into 2 World Wars and the next would be an even worse catastrophe. The same reason we stayed in Europe, Japan, . Korea, etc.
For democracy to work you need the right people first - the ones in the 3rd world are not yet ready.[you have no idea about their mentality, I suggest you research]

Africa:
Defacto you would have to recolonize them, make sure the money goes where it's supposed to, and make sure you educate the people.

Once >70% of the people can read and write, you can give it another try.
Sounds like work for ~70 years.

Or we can just wait, we'll get the same result in 200 years or so.

Islam:
They just need their contemporary version of Luther and a elephant dose of enlightenment. Or just wait another 3 to 400 years...
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Old 10-18-2010, 02:23 PM
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Imagine there's no Heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one

True words of wisdom.
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Old 10-18-2010, 02:39 PM
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Sounds like a communist utopia .

1) There are things in those lyrics that would not make the world a better place in the view of many of us.
2) It would only take one person with ambition, political objectives, desire of power, or simply having a bad day to mess up the utopia in that song. People have always been, are, and will always be imperfect.
3) Cool song. Really, we played it at our wedding and everyone danced to it. I don't know anyone who hates that song.
4) I choose to take the song as someone's "dream" rather than a political manifesto. Drugs were probably involved in that dream lol.

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Old 10-18-2010, 02:47 PM
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You cut me deep Splitter. Next thing you'll be saying is Farther Christmas isn't real and SOW won't be released this year.
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Old 10-18-2010, 03:03 PM
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You cut me deep Splitter. Next thing you'll be saying is Farther Christmas isn't real and SOW won't be released this year.
1) I am holding out hope that SoW will be released this year. (really, it's possible if a publisher has been chosen)
2) Who ever said that Father Christmas/Santa Clause was not real?! Communist propaganda I say! lol
3) I am so attractive that my wife never even looks at other men. I know because she told me so.

Yes, I am the gullible slob at whom all advertising is directed .

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Old 10-18-2010, 07:06 PM
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JL was a communist with religious tendencies. He was advocating a one party state, no wonder any establishment didn't like him, except for the communists though. I mean look at all those drug taking, dirty long haired, unclean hippies listening to revolting music that surrounded suggestive lyrics - the pure makings of an evil empire.

The Grinch exists, but sorry Father Christmas doesn't. , my kids tell me so and SOW is first 1/4 next year
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Old 10-18-2010, 07:45 PM
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If the French and British would have stood up to Hitler and lost a few hundred lives, millions of people would have been saved from WW2. Especially after knowing the consequences of a war against the same side 20 years earlier!
Sorry, but can you explain this statement please?
Only I was under the impression that we declared war on him, and lost a bit more than a 'few hundred lives' whilst 'standing up to Hitler' during the Norwegian Campaign, the Battle of France, subsequently in the Battle of Britain and the Battle of the Atlantic, also during the bombing campaign and North Africa.
Where exactly do you see complacency in Britain's actions prior to the USA's involvement? Northern France was steamrollered into armistice and the rest of France capitulated.
How would Britain and France therefore prevent the invasion of The Soviet Union?
More importantly from the USA's perspective, how would Britain and France have prevented Pearl Harbour? Or Hitler's declaration of war on the US?
Please, enlighten me.
Thanks.

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Old 10-19-2010, 01:12 AM
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Where exactly do you see complacency in Britain's actions prior to the USA's involvement?
Resumption of the draft in Germany breaking the 100K army limit
Reoccupying the Rhineland
Ansclhuss with Austria
Breakup of Czechoslovakia
German Non-Agression pact with Soviet Union
Invasion of Poland

If France and Great Britain would have taken decisive action at any point of these events, Germany would have collapsed and the European side of World War 2 would have been averted. This would include a reconnaisance in force across the Rhine as soon as Poland was attacked. Of course this has more to do with France, since they are connected to the continent and had the land army to do this! It remains to be seen what Stalin would have done with no Nazi Germany next to him also?!

If Japan was still to be foolish and attack the USA at Pearl Harbor the entire weight of the US military (along with the Allies) would have been focused on Imperial Japan---no 75%-25% Euro/Asia split. It would have collapsed much more quickly then it did saving 100's of thousands of deaths.

I am just of the belief that sometimes it is better to do what needs to be done instead of discussing and talking about it and waiting for someone else to do it. When Germany reoccupied the Rhineland France and Great Britain should have invoked the Versailles Treaty, immediately mobilized and given it an ultimatum.

My opinion is not meant to be disrespectful of the lives lost by our Allies in the fight against tyrannny...but I still think that Soviet pilot was wrong and deserves to be reprimanded or lose his wings
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