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10-01-2010, 01:13 PM
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What do want? Ricks death sure is tragedy - but I couldn't care less about about Greenamyer records or achievements as a pilot. He could be an astronaut for all I care. If that B29 crashed during the flight this could have been important - did you see it take off? They either wired it wrong or didn't follow the procedures. They fucked up simple as that, no force majeur involved. If you realize you run out of time or money during project, you have to halt it, and return once you have raised both. Don't rush - just do it right. and the parts were above the water before, not submerged as they are now. Water is better than ice I guess. They could at least have towed the debris a few hundred yards. But that would require fuel, a "very precious good up there". That was the first time I wondered what they are doing. If I can't even afford to let 4 engines idle for a few hours - that's sign to stop and come back one you can afford it. Not so our record winner: way too much ambition here, he's the man, he can, yes he HAS TO do it. Uuuuh *shivers*. I'm done here, must stop, I'm already glowing bright white again. Last edited by swiss; 10-01-2010 at 01:17 PM. 
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#42
10-01-2010, 06:42 PM
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Are you guys THAT narrow minded ?
This is so UNBELIEVABLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! For Christ's sake do you even have a little compassion for at least one of these fellows ? None of all you guys would have 1 °/0000000 of the skill/guts necessary to achieve that kind of project. All what you are goodfor is gossiping and yakking pure B/S. This is driving me nuts. I've seen that Oleg got recently mad on the Bob's post, I seriously think that some of you guys should learn or re-learn basic respect and life rules...
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#43
10-01-2010, 06:51 PM
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These situations are completely different. In this one, we're yaking at a guy who took on a challenge which was too great for his skill/ability/patience/etc, leading to waste of life and destruction of historical artifacts.
In that one, folks are yaking because the clouds are "too grey". Like telling Michelangelo his ceiling painting looks like a kid painted it with water-colors. Also, lives and historical treasures do not hang in the balance.
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#45
10-01-2010, 08:56 PM
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Indeed the B29 accident was very tragic, I hope they learn from their mistakes and avoid them in the future. All that that work gone, but lets not forget all the warbirds that did survive or got fully restored and still fly today, like a P-51 Mustang I saw a couple of months ago here in Holland.
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#47
10-01-2010, 09:41 PM
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About 200 years ago one of the leaders of the revolution that ended in the formation of the modern Greek state was asked about what went through their mind when starting it.
These guys were for the most part uneducated guerillas, with a few notable exceptions (eg one of them had served as an officer in the British army with units stationed in Corfu and that was about it), but they posessed some kind of folk wisdom and he managed to put it very accurately. "When we started the revolution, we didn't know if we would manage to win. All we knew was that we felt the need to do it. It's like when a ship's captain decides to leave port with bad weather and sets sail into the storm. If he makes it and manages to make a delivery when all the other ships are moored, he can command a higher price for his goods and people will praise him for his seamanship, his skill, his daring and the fortunes he has made. If he doesn't make it and the ship sinks, then the same people will call the same captain an unskilled amateur who should have known better than to drown his sailors for no reason". I don't know how good or bad the salvage team for this B29 was, but i think Thunderbolt has a point. They didn't pick up the Battle of Britain memorial flight Lancaster for a joyride and smashed it, depriving everyone of the joy of seeing it again. They picked up a plane nobody knew about or would dare salvage up to that point and through a combination of difficult circumstances and their own mistakes they failed. It's an inherent risk. Maybe they wouldn't have crashed it if they were more careful, but that doesn't mean it would be parked in some museum. The most probable outcome if they really were careful would be that it would end up grounded there and then, this time in full exposure to the elements. Maybe they or someone else could have raised the money to fly it out of there after a few years, or maybe nobody would and it would rot, nobody can know for sure.
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#48
10-01-2010, 10:07 PM
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10-01-2010, 10:47 PM
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The qualities of PILOT are not the same a BUSINESS SKILL. I PERSONALLY met D. Greenamyer on another project that ended in fiery failure, and I can tell you he did not strike me as a good manager. He bungled the B29 recovery, they should have been ready to come back the next year and not push it.
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10-01-2010, 11:13 PM
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-1 Come on! The only thing that went wrong was the APU. They've managed things most of us can only dream about! I'm a hobby mechanic. Transformed my own car, that sort of jazz, often working in the snow on my back. I know how much work even replacing or repairing a car engine can be while your hands are numb. Doing so in such conditions is terrible. I'd want to drink a lot of alcohol just to keep me going, but working on a 50 year old a/c would be too much risk. Yes, maybe it would've been smarter to ferry the B29 by other means, but this man apparently had his reasons. It almost worked, don't forget that. We wouldn't even got as far as replacing one engine. If you want to take off in a plane that has been stationary for 50 years in any country that has air traffic regulations, they'd tell you to completely strip the thing bare and restore it.
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