Officer's Patent

[Colbert30]

It would be nice if the patent itself could be upgraded each time you upgrade the level of troops you can train (for gold, or something). That way, the item scales and doesn´t feel much like a drag to have to wear it, especially later in the game where its relative power is so small compared to the alterantives.

Also, I agree that it´s poorly documented.

[Levesque]

Yes. It's seems rather annoyingly ''complicated'' to use this ''feature''. This, or I'm too stupid to use it.

I have more then 20000 trophies, and can only make 20 knights at a time. There was only 50 knights on all my ramdom world, so I'm trying to make some (since I like to teleport them at the beginning of a fight and then kill 3 stacks, before even starting to fight...)

But... I can make only around 20 knights at a time, and only for 2 times, and then I get the ''training unavailable'' line for my guardsman, even with 4 empty slots, 20000 trophies and over 1 million in the bank. I tried EVERYTHING. I've tried with swordsman and Guardsman, with 5, 10, 100 or 200. Nothing. ''Training unavalaible''.

Nothing is working.

I bought all the level upgrades and races upgrades before you ask it.

Is there a day-limit, time-limit, amount-limit, or anything like this? I can play for a couple of fights and sometimes, when trying again later, I can make another batch of 20, and sometimes not. It looks totally random to me.

I can't even upgrade my griffons to royal griffons. I empty all my slots except one, bring 5, 10, or 50 griffons, 20000 trophies, 1000000 dollars: ''training unavailable''. Huh?

[camelotcrusade]

Originally Posted by Levesque

Nothing. ''Training unavalaible''.

Is there a day-limit, time-limit, amount-limit, or anything like this? I can play for a couple of fights and sometimes, when trying again later, I can make another batch of 20, and sometimes not. It looks totally random to me.

I can't even upgrade my griffons to royal griffons. I empty all my slots except one, bring 5, 10, or 50 griffons, 20000 trophies, 1000000 dollars: ''training unavailable''. Huh?

I had a similar experience with orc trackers. I really wanted more of them to augment what was available at the initial docs, so I scrimped and saved to get enough regular orcs, trophies, and the ability to train both orcs and level 3 units. After all that, I could still not train an orc tracker.

However, many moons later (and, incidentally, after I had also visited the academy in Verona) I was able to create them using the same resources (the only 19 orcs I could find) and patent level I had before. By then it wasn't worth it since I could hold a lot more than I could make anyway.

So, I too would like some clarification (or other anecdotes, if we must figure this out for ourselves) on how and when this training thing works. Does discovering other academies matter? Do you need certain story events or quets to take place (for exapmle sometimes new troops appear based on quests you've completed)? Other triggers?

PS - also thanks to Hunkie for that upgrade list. If you find any for units other than humans please post them. It takes a lot of resources and inconvenience to even test if you can upgrade, so knowing up front is much better.

[ckdamascus]

Originally Posted by Levesque

There was only 50 knights on all my ramdom world, so I'm trying to make some (since I like to teleport them at the beginning of a fight and then kill 3 stacks, before even starting to fight...)

Sorry to hear about your plight. But, I am curious. What class are you? Are you playing Impossible and No Loss?

How do you kill 3 stacks initially before the fight has begun?

Do you mean you hit (and ideally kill), and the other enemies try to hit you and you counterattack to kill them?

(So are you a warrior class with counterattack?)

I realize it might be an expression, but I've been experimenting with heavy melee, so I wanted to know for sure.

Thanks!

[Levesque]

I'm a Pally right now. But with +1 Initiative, right at the beginning of a fight, I can teleport my Knights in the right spot to use the special sweeping attack on 3 stacks, and this before they can attack. So I usually kill 2 or 3 stacks at the beginning of the fight. With alot of +Morale +Def +Att on Knights, it's devastating.

I'm now using the Orc Veterans instead, with the special attack on 3 stacks.

[BB Shockwave]

Did anyone find out whether Witch Hunters or Assassins can be trained from some neutral unit - like Robbers, Marauders?

[ckdamascus]

Originally Posted by BB Shockwave

Did anyone find out whether Witch Hunters or Assassins can be trained from some neutral unit - like Robbers, Marauders?

Seems like witch hunters can be made from footmen, per first post in the thread (after editing).

Is there a particular reason why it has to be from a neutral race?

I haven't seen anything about assassins.

[BB Shockwave]

They are called Swordsmen, I think. But thanks anyway. It's odd that a Neutral troop is trained from a Human...

Frankly, I found the system very helpfull. Even with trophy costs, it is much more profitable to recruit certain units this way, especially if you have no access to them otherwise.

[camelotcrusade]

Now I'm thinking they should add the descriptor "upgradeable" to any unit that can be upgraded via the trophy system. For bonus points, put how they upgrade in the hover text (though I realize that would be unique to each unit). But at least having a note that a unit is upgradeable would pique my curioisty and get me to play around with it.

It could say:

Upgradeable
This unit can be upgraded to a higher level unit at traininy academy if you meet the requirements.

If this would be on too many units and/or be annoying, maybe they could make a toggle to turn it on and off. Or maybe make a symbol like an upwards arrow inside a circle that is small but on the unit screen to indicate it can be upgraded.

[BB Shockwave]

I stopped using the whole patent, now that I have access to all troops that I need, I kinda find it useless. The Shark's Tooth that the first hireling gave me gives +5% XP and Gold, as opposed to +3%, so I switched it.

Why? Well, it cost about 700-800 Gold AND Trophies to upgrade 10 Guardsmen to 2 Paladins. And I had to fight a LOT of battles to accumulate this many.

So, I think, apart from the early game where you don't have access to some units, or in cases where certain units are simply not available anywhere, this system is usefull, but overall, I'd have been happier with a system more like the Necromancer in the Dwarven lands is offering.