nazi info real or fiction?

[Splitter]

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

Splitter, are you not aware that Churchill lost the general election in July 1945? What he would have liked to have done at that point is of little consequence.

Adman, from what I can find (not a lot), the Sack AS-6 was a 'An extremely unconventional 1944 design with a saucer-shaped wing and a tractor propeller' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_..._World_War_Two. The Vought XF5U was an unusual design, but hardly a 'flying saucer' in the sense that the phrase is usually used. It was a propeller-driven aircraft, taking off and flying in the normal manner. The concept dates back to the late 1930s (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m.../ai_n13498090/), and was first tried in the US. It therefore has little significance to 'Nazi flying saucers' either.

This then leaves the Avrocar:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_Canada_VZ-9_Avrocar
Effectively an early, very inefficient, hovercraft.

It appears then that all this supposed 'research' resulted in nothing resembling a 'flying saucer' except the Avrocar, which could hardly fly at all.

I don't think I have ever understood why Churchill was shoved to the side. He had been such an effective and popular leader during the war, even a hero to those of us not from Britain. Maybe he was just one of those people who were sent for a special purpose.

And yes, the research into saucer shapes seems to have been fruitless. I am not sure what was learned from it. I would only say that for 40+ years, the flying wing bomber concept was abandoned (to the best of my knowledge). Then the technologies and needs came together to give us the B-2 Stealth bomber.

So I have learned not to say "impossible" but rather "probably impossible right now" . Another interesting thing I have noticed is that during the Cold War there were many "UFO" sightings around the world and now those seem to have gone way down. Maybe someone somewhere was playing around with government funds that have now dried up? I dunno, it's just a thought.

BTW, from what I understand, one of the criticisms of the AvroCar program was that they didn't develop the hover craft aspect and salvage something from the program so good observation!

Splitter

[Sven]

Bringing those planes into BATTLE OF BRITAIN would´t be appropriate I think, it was far too early in the war to have them flying along. Of course fantasy planes are cool because they never existed, but because they did not exist there is no way an accurate flight model can be simulated, right? after all it´s still a simulator, not a fantasy game.

there were some weird and disgusting things going on in the last years of the war, maybe it´s better not to dig up old bodies.
A note to the Hanaeubu III though, I dont think it would ever have flown, to get such thing up in the air would acquire a huge engine, which design had to be all new as well, the Hanaeubu would also be fitted with lots of protective armor adding to its weight.

[ATAG_Dutch]

Originally Posted by Splitter

I don't think I have ever understood why Churchill was shoved to the side. He had been such an effective and popular leader during the war, even a hero to those of us not from Britain.

Thanks Splitter, nice of you to say so.
Churchill was head of a 'tri-partite' coalition government during the war years. After the war, a general election was held to reinstate one of the three main parties as the sole party of government.
Churchill was leader of the Conservative party, which was to the right of centre.
A swing to the left swept Britain following the defeat of the right wing Nazis and Faschists (except for Franco in Spain), which led to a Labour government being voted in headed by Clem Atlee.
I don't think Britain's respect for Winston himself ever waned, in fact in a poll only a couple of years ago he was voted 'Greatest Briton' of all time.
Cheers
Dutch

[Splitter]

Originally Posted by Dutch_851

Thanks Splitter, nice of you to say so.
Churchill was head of a 'tri-partite' coalition government during the war years. After the war, a general election was held to reinstate one of the three main parties as the sole party of government.
Churchill was leader of the Conservative party, which was to the right of centre.
A swing to the left swept Britain following the defeat of the right wing Nazis and Faschists (except for Franco in Spain), which led to a Labour government being voted in headed by Clem Atlee.
I don't think Britain's respect for Winston himself ever waned, in fact in a poll only a couple of years ago he was voted 'Greatest Briton' of all time.
Cheers
Dutch

Thank you for the explanation. It's really rather unfortunate, but maybe he really was just sent here to perform the tasks he did.

I love hearing his speeches and reading about his quick wit. It seems he single handedly kept British spirits up especially before the US finally decided to pitch in (we have no excuse). What a bulldog. A great symbol for the country.

I think my favorite anecdote about him was when an acerbic woman at a dinner party declared that if he was her husband, she would poison his tea. His reply was that if she was his wife, he would drink it . Lady Astor I believe.

True or not, there are a lot of those anecdotes about the man. Just seems like a guy with whom you would like to have a pint...or three.

Splitter

[ATAG_Dutch]

Couldn't agree more!
I'm sure you've already got some of this stuff, but here's a link to free downloads of many speeches.
Enjoy!

http://www.archive.org/details/Winston_Churchill

[winny]

Originally Posted by Splitter

Thank you for the explanation. It's really rather unfortunate, but maybe he really was just sent here to perform the tasks he did.

I love hearing his speeches and reading about his quick wit. It seems he single handedly kept British spirits up especially before the US finally decided to pitch in (we have no excuse). What a bulldog. A great symbol for the country.

I think my favorite anecdote about him was when an acerbic woman at a dinner party declared that if he was her husband, she would poison his tea. His reply was that if she was his wife, he would drink it . Lady Astor I believe.

True or not, there are a lot of those anecdotes about the man. Just seems like a guy with whom you would like to have a pint...or three.

Splitter

It's amazing when you think about it, Hitler, Stalin, Churchill, Hirohito, Mussolini, all in place at the same time in history. I'm not a 'crazy' but if there were ever an argument for fate existing then this would be it!

I think Churchill became a liability the moment WW2 ceased as by that time he was a serious alcoholic. He was the perfect wartime prime minister though.

[leggit]

quote: Winston Churchill:

" I have taken more out of drink, than drink has taken out of me."

[ATAG_Dutch]

Originally Posted by winny

I think Churchill became a liability the moment WW2 ceased as by that time he was a serious alcoholic. He was the perfect wartime prime minister though.

Hmm, is that why he was again Prime Minister of Britain in 1951, at the age of 77?
He was already 71 at the general election in 1945.
If he did drink a bit, I'd say he bloody deserved it!

[winny]

Originally Posted by Dutch_851

Hmm, is that why he was again Prime Minister of Britain in 1951, at the age of 77?
He was already 71 at the general election in 1945.
If he did drink a bit, I'd say he bloody deserved it!

Maybe he just needed a few years to sober up!
Listen to his 'finest hour' speach.. he was very drunk! (it was late tho!)

[Blackdog_kt]

I think that Churchill was so strongly identified as an icon of the wartime era, that when the war was over he was pushed aside as part of the war itself. That's not entirely bad in itself, if we believe the notions that he was in favor of continuing the war against the USSR.

Loss of life aside, i doubt that the western allies could not have won against USSR even with nukes. The rate of A-bomb production was so slow initially, that coupled with the the Soviet's disregard of casualties would not be a serious advantage, not to mention that most of the Soviet industry was already behind the Urals due to WWII. If the western allies attacked the Soviets and provoked them into all out war, it's very possible that face of Europe today and the history of the cold war era would be totally different. In that sense, i think that it's good we were spared a second round of hostilities between the former allies.