Friday 2010-08-13 Dev. update and Discussions

[fireflyerz]

Originally Posted by krz9000

i hope this game gets steamworks integration as drm. it would give the game phaenomenal international distribution and a solidpirate protection... pls oleg consider it at least

WHAT... are you mental

[BG-09]

Originally Posted by Dutch_851

Hi BG,

Yes, I know what you mean, but fire spreads, so if the initial 'hit' is in the fuel tank, the fuel in the tank is on fire due to air in the tank, it leaks and spreads, setting fire to other flammable materials, runs along the outside of the fuel pipes, burns away the fuel pipe from the outside, then there's an explosion that rips a gaping hole in the tank, etc etc.

We've all seen archive footage of engines on fire and saying 8 Brownings couldn't cause it is simply underestimating them.

One incendiary bullet penetrating the induction manifold where there is a pressurised fuel / air mix would probably cause a big enough explosion to rupture the fuel lines / carburettor / injection system in any event. Certainly the fuel / air mix would burn very nicely.

In practice the RAF soon learned to get in much closer than 400yards too. Guns were then harmonised at 250 yards or less. The Poles particularly harmonised their guns to very short range.

Fully agree with you Dutch_851. As I remember from my serving in to the army, 7,62 mm machine gun can do a tremendous damage indeed over metal datails. It really shred off steel plate of near 1 cm thick.

[ElAurens]

Originally Posted by Daniël

Very nice pictures, especially the first picture.
Question: In il2 now, when you collide with trees (not all trees), static planes on airfields etc. your plane will explode immediately. Will your plane, in SoW not always immediately explode? (Or is this question already been asked and answered?)

While I have no direct knowledge of it, I suspect that with the much more complex and detailed damage modeling of SoW, that hitting ground objects, or the ground itself (CFIT) will have much more realistic results.

As I recall from some long ago post on UBI, the current instant explode terrain strike was chosen as the best compromise given the computer power of the day, and the limitations of the game engine itself.

[BadAim]

Any speculation about the source of the fire in these screen shots is just that, pure speculation. We have no idea what exactly has been hit, how many passes have been made, or even if the plane has been hit by flack and that Hurri is just flying by.

Still, I'll postulate that a .303 is easily capable of penetrating two or three thin sheets of aluminum at 200 or so yards (the skin and the fuel tank), and that eight 1200 rpm guns could be expected to put 20 or 30 of them in a couple square foot area given a good aim and a bit of luck. The only question is how many 3/8-1/2" holes spraying gasoline vapor do you really need to create a conflagration like we see in the screen shots, and if not how long would it take for the conflagration that does start to burn up enough of the shredded aluminum that there would be a big enough hole to support the one viewed. I speculate damn close on the first question, and not long on the second.

And that's all I have to say about that.

[SlipBall]

Originally Posted by Daniël

Very nice pictures, especially the first picture.
Question: In il2 now, when you collide with trees (not all trees), static planes on airfields etc. your plane will explode immediately. Will your plane, in SoW not always immediately explode? (Or is this question already been asked and answered?)

I asked this question but never got an answer...It would be cool to land between two trees, the wings to absorb the energy of the crash...just like you are taught in flight school

[BG-09]

Originally Posted by BadAim

Any speculation about the source of the fire in these screen shots is just that, pure speculation. We have no idea what exactly has been hit, how many passes have been made, or even if the plane has been hit by flack and that Hurri is just flying by.

Still, I'll postulate that a .303 is easily capable of penetrating two or three thin sheets of aluminum at 200 or so yards (the skin and the fuel tank), and that eight 1200 rpm guns could be expected to put 20 or 30 of them in a couple square foot area given a good aim and a bit of luck. The only question is how many 3/8-1/2" holes spraying gasoline vapor do you really need to create a conflagration like we see in the screen shots, and if not how long would it take for the conflagration that does start to burn up enough of the shredded aluminum that there would be a big enough hole to support the one viewed. I speculate damn close on the first question, and not long on the second.

And that's all I have to say about that.

I am wondering just about this: Are these a "default" flames, or specially, individually scalable and individually tuned flames.

[katdogfizzow]

Looking great!

[Richie]

Originally Posted by Splitter

Those images are just too awesome for words! Yes, end of the trees discussion. Maybe the end of the flame discussion?

One thing I would love to see implemented is the ability to zoom in on the instrument panel. For engine management, it is critical and I was spoiled with MSFSX and X-Plane. I can find no way to really do it in IL-2.

The other thing....when?

Splitter

Hit the Delete key on IL-2. Is that what you mean?

[322Sqn_Dusty]

Very impressive shots. It's getting better by the minute.

...Please...Steam...the horror... As before, if you must stay connected to the internet for validation, it can be a problem for events held.

[Friendly_flyer]

The trees look very nice from down below. Some of these can be identified down to species (I saw a beech and a juniper in there). If they down look as good from the air is of little consequence. The only time I will have the chance to admire the vegetation will be when I am on the ground ayway.

Gents, about the fire: Planes were shot down in flames over Britain during BoB. While not every plane burned, a lot of them did. Clearly, a Hurricane has the ability to set a Ju 88 on fire every now an then.