Why I dislike IL-2 games..

[Balderz002]

Originally Posted by David603

although this was fixed for the PS3 version with a patch.

Not that bloody PS patch again! lol

But in reality, you can see better forward in a Yak-3, than a La-5FN

I play with the 3rd person external view, so I see plenty! lol

I wouldnt worry too much about using authentic engines in these warbirds, as the 262's flying around now dont exactly have period powerplants!

[Soviet Ace]

Originally Posted by Balderz002

I play with the 3rd person external view, so I see plenty! lol

I wouldnt worry too much about using authentic engines in these warbirds, as the 262's flying around now dont exactly have period powerplants!

Ugh, I dunno how people fly in 3rd person view, I get so disoriented and just can't seem to aim right when I try flying in that. So it's all cockpit for me.

And on another note, I checked last night on the Yak-3s and Yak-9s that they make, and they do share the same Allison engine as the P-51s and Spitfires flown today.

[olife]

the real dogfights between "west"propeller fighters and "east"propeller fighters:
june 1950-the f82g twin mustang " bucket o' bolt" destroy a north korean yak7u and 3 others f82 pilots destroy 3 north korean fighter(probably a yaks)

june 29th 1950-2 f-51mustang destroy 3 north korean il10

june 30th 1950-1 f51 mustang destroy 1 la7

april 21st 1951-4 north korean yak9 attack 2 f4u-4 corsair of vma 312:3 yak were destroy by us pilots and the last was damaged

in fact ,i think the qualities of the pilots are as primordial as the fly qualities of the planes...even if the north korean rookies pilots must be courageous and fly in the good planes ,they had not one chance to survive against the exelent us pilots(veterans of ww2)...who had a good planes too

[Soviet Ace]

Originally Posted by olife

the real dogfights between "west"propeller fighters and "east"propeller fighters:
june 1950-the f82g twin mustang " bucket o' bolt" destroy a north korean yak7u and 3 others f82 pilots destroy 3 north korean fighter(probably a yaks)

june 29th 1950-2 f-51mustang destroy 3 north korean il10

june 30th 1950-1 f51 mustang destroy 1 la7

april 21st 1951-4 north korean yak9 attack 2 f4u-4 corsair of vma 312:3 yak were destroy by us pilots and the last was damaged

in fact ,i think the qualities of the pilots are as primordial as the fly qualities of the planes...even if the north korean rookies pilots must be courageous and fly in the good planes ,they had not one chance to survive against the exelent us pilots(veterans of ww2)...who had a good planes too

No doubt pilot knowledge is important, but just going on statistics of the planes, a P-51 against a Yak-3 or others wouldn't stand a chance at low altitudes; and we're talking the VK-105PF-2 Klimov engine. Not the VK-107 or 108 which had terrible problems; and even the engines powering the Yaks in Korea had terrible engines as well.

Anyway, that's weird they had Yak-7s and La-7s in Korea. Most were just basic Yak-9s and La-9s that were just another varient. (And it was always, even through WW2, known that Yak-9s had engine problems like none other.) But more to the point, I thought the only Yak-7s were the UTI variants that were just trainers, not actual Yak-7s like from WW2.

Plus, just to add something more to this. The Yak's and La's used in Korea, actually had significant armor upgrades which slowed them down, they added radios, and other things that Western Front planes in WW2 had. So they were nothing like the Yaks and Las of WW2... just thought I'd also point that out to anyone.

Thanks for the info though Olife, do you mind linking us to the site you got that info from. I'd like to look into that.

[olife]

Originally Posted by Soviet Ace

No doubt pilot knowledge is important, but just going on statistics of the planes, a P-51 against a Yak-3 or others wouldn't stand a chance at low altitudes; and we're talking the VK-105PF-2 Klimov engine. Not the VK-107 or 108 which had terrible problems; and even the engines powering the Yaks in Korea had terrible engines as well.

Anyway, that's weird they had Yak-7s and La-7s in Korea. Most were just basic Yak-9s and La-9s that were just another varient. (And it was always, even through WW2, known that Yak-9s had engine problems like none other.) But more to the point, I thought the only Yak-7s were the UTI variants that were just trainers, not actual Yak-7s like from WW2.

Plus, just to add something more to this. The Yak's and La's used in Korea, actually had significant armor upgrades which slowed them down, they added radios, and other things that Western Front planes in WW2 had. So they were nothing like the Yaks and Las of WW2... just thought I'd also point that out to anyone.

Thanks for the info though Olife, do you mind linking us to the site you got that info from. I'd like to look into that.

hello bud

totaly agree with u,soviet ace,and yes the yak7 shoot down by the first f82 was a trainer.i think if the pilots of the yaks and las in korea were all soviet veterans ,the work for the us pilots was not easy(the aces of aces of korea war is the russian colonel yevgeni pepelyaev 23 kills).it is right too that the unofficial results of many us jet pilots is korea can be more important that the official results because they go in the forbidden area (jump the yalu river)
to fight and the air kills of the "forbidden area" were not confirm.
to speak again about the russians ww2 planes,the best germans aces said that the la and yak series can outturn the fw190s and me109s.the soviets know how to built a good planes.

source about korea war dogfights:a book called KOREAN WAR ACES by osprey publishing (it is a serie of good books and i have the collecting of the french version:60 books of 60 pages,the english version is better with more pages and more color profiles)
u must find it on internet i think

good hunting bud

[Soviet Ace]

Originally Posted by olife

hello bud

totaly agree with u,soviet ace,and yes the yak7 shoot down by the first f82 was a trainer.i think if the pilots of the yaks and las in korea were all soviet veterans ,the work for the us pilots was not easy(the aces of aces of korea war is the russian colonel yevgeni pepelyaev 23 kills).it is right too that the unofficial results of many us jet pilots is korea can be more important that the official results because they go in the forbidden area (jump the yalu river)
to fight and the air kills of the "forbidden area" were not confirm.
to speak again about the russians ww2 planes,the best germans aces said that the la and yak series can outturn the fw190s and me109s.the soviets know how to built a good planes.

source about korea war dogfights:a book called KOREAN WAR ACES by osprey publishing (it is a serie of good books and i have the collecting of the french version:60 books of 60 pages,the english version is better with more pages and more color profiles)
u must find it on internet i think

good hunting bud

Yeah, I know the site. The link in my sig, goes to Osprey. They've got some great books on planes, and just different wars in general. I actually have the Korean War book you're talking about and the MiG-15 and F-86 one as well. I didn't see that in the Korean War Aces though, so I'll have to take a look at it more thoroughly.

[olife]

Originally Posted by Soviet Ace

Yeah, I know the site. The link in my sig, goes to Osprey. They've got some great books on planes, and just different wars in general. I actually have the Korean War book you're talking about and the MiG-15 and F-86 one as well. I didn't see that in the Korean War Aces though, so I'll have to take a look at it more thoroughly.

hehe !!lol and great!!
i know the french version is different of english version,but try to look the page 7,9 and 20 but not sure it is the same pages in your book!!
the color profiles of those books are very very good!!!

good hunting bud ace

[Crosshair14]

Here's some P-51 and other plane vids.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdCm5z2RpI8

This one is epic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZmnVqkKapI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lW2n...eature=related