Best Heavy tank

[FM_Von_Manstein]

Originally Posted by Korsakov829

It seems the King Tiger wins the Best Heavy Tank poll.

Can't believe nobody but me likes the KV-1. A reliable heavy tank for sure.

Stupidest thing I have ever heard in my life. The KV-1 was very mechanically unreliable, more than the Tiger in fact. Its only advantage was it's armor, and that became penetrable frontally in 1942. It's poor speed made it an easy target for planes and artillery fire. And it's gun was just average, obsolete by 1942.

[Korsakov829]

Bah, it is the most likeable Russian tank from the WWII era. My father drove one through the streets of Berlin, and even though it was later destroyed he and his crew survived Berlin. By that, I call it reliable.

[FM_Von_Manstein]

Originally Posted by Korsakov829

Bah, it is the most likeable Russian tank from the WWII era. My father drove one through the streets of Berlin, and even though it was later destroyed he and his crew survived Berlin. By that, I call it reliable.

No it wasn't, the T-34 was. And I find it hard to believe that the KV-1 was in service in 1945, but hey. Its communist Russia. And even if your father did in fact drive it in Berlin. The tank certainly didn't drive there. The threads would have broken down around Warsaw if he was lucky, chances are it would have been earlier than that.

[Korsakov829]

Well, he did fine. At least thats what I'm told.

I don't feel comfortable with using the T-34.

[KnightFandragon]

Originally Posted by Korsakov829

I don't feel comfortable with using the T-34.

I agree 100% here, atleast for in games sake. When I used to play the Russian missions and I got T34's I was simply amazed at what killed it and w/ such ease, meanwhile its gun bounced....alot......Because of that I went and tried out the KV1. I'll take a KV1 over a T34/76, atleast in game b/c you dont face breakdown, the KV has better armor and the same gun...so if there was a KV1 vs T34/76 poll, KV1 all the way. The T34/85, though it has the same crappy armor it had that top MG and the 85mm Zis 53. So yeah The T34/85 is a quite nice tank, aside from the fact that it dies to the Pzr IV D and its itsy bitsy 76mm infantry gun.

[FM_Von_Manstein]

Originally Posted by KnightFandragon

I agree 100% here, atleast for in games sake. When I used to play the Russian missions and I got T34's I was simply amazed at what killed it and w/ such ease, meanwhile its gun bounced....alot......Because of that I went and tried out the KV1. I'll take a KV1 over a T34/76, atleast in game b/c you dont face breakdown, the KV has better armor and the same gun...so if there was a KV1 vs T34/76 poll, KV1 all the way. The T34/85, though it has the same crappy armor it had that top MG and the 85mm Zis 53. So yeah The T34/85 is a quite nice tank, aside from the fact that it dies to the Pzr IV D and its itsy bitsy 76mm infantry gun.

In game the KV-1 is obviously a better tank than the T-34, unless you want speed. But in real life the KV-1 wasn't that great and didn't have a huge impact on the war. The T-34 did.

[KnightFandragon]

Originally Posted by FM_Von_Manstein

In game the KV-1 is obviously a better tank than the T-34, unless you want speed. But in real life the KV-1 wasn't that great and didn't have a huge impact on the war. The T-34 did.

For sure the Real life T34 was probably a better tank overall, more reliable, cheaper, faster and quick to make. Plus im sure the RL T34's armor was better then in game, it has 60mm sloped at like 60 degrees? or something like that so its armor is actually just as good as the KV's 100mm plus the chance for the shell to deflect, but in MoW it is 52mm turret and 47mm hull armor so its butter and sucks.

[Nikitns]

Originally Posted by FM_Von_Manstein

Stupidest thing I have ever heard in my life. The KV-1 was very mechanically unreliable, more than the Tiger in fact. Its only advantage was it's armor, and that became penetrable frontally in 1942. It's poor speed made it an easy target for planes and artillery fire. And it's gun was just average, obsolete by 1942.

KV2 was NOT unreliable. Sure, it had some mechanical problems due 2 its extreme weight but...

There are accounts of single KV-1's holding off an entire Panzer division (a bridge) and 5 KV-1's ambushing and slaughtering a panzer column. Its gun could kill anything in 1941.

Originally Posted by FM_Von_Manstein

Yes. Long barrels have higher muzzle velocity, and therefor better penetration, range and accuracy.

In terms of guns. Muzzle Velocity=Penetration and size=damage done with HE rounds.



I'm pretty sure the armor thickness is correct. T-34/76 and T-34/85 were both pretty weak in terms or armor. Very vulnerable, German 37mm AT guns could penetrate frontal armor under 100m IIRC, and 50mm AT guns at even longer ranges.

Nah, it was impervious of fire from 37mm guns. I don't know about 50mm though I doubt it. The Germans often had 2 use howitzers to take out a T-34/76

I voted for the Centurion. It just has this awesome charm!

[KnightFandragon]

Originally Posted by Nikitns

KV2 was NOT unreliable. Sure, it had some mechanical problems due 2 its extreme weight but...

There are accounts of single KV-1's holding off an entire Panzer division (a bridge) and 5 KV-1's ambushing and slaughtering a panzer column. Its gun could kill anything in 1941.

Unreliable basically means its mechanical reliability...the KV was a tank that liked to break down...

Of course it could kill anything in 41......it was shooting Pzr 2's and 3's or those Pzr IV D stubby gun tanks that had melted butter for armor. Much past 42 the KV lost its massive invincibility advantage when the Germans got 75mm long barrel guns and 88's

[FM_Von_Manstein]

Originally Posted by Nikitns

KV2 was NOT unreliable. Sure, it had some mechanical problems due 2 its extreme weight but...

There are accounts of single KV-1's holding off an entire Panzer division (a bridge) and 5 KV-1's ambushing and slaughtering a panzer column. Its gun could kill anything in 1941.

Nah, it was impervious of fire from 37mm guns. I don't know about 50mm though I doubt it. The Germans often had 2 use howitzers to take out a T-34/76

I voted for the Centurion. It just has this awesome charm!

Kid you should really think before you post. Unreliable means prone to mechanical failure. I don't care if the KV-1 was nearly indestructible, driving it over 100km led to it breaking down beyond repair. It was just far too heavy.

As the the T-34/76, it's armor wasn't that thick. At close ranges (50m-100m) the 37mm gun could penetrate. Germany did not need howitzers to destroy T-34s. They're tanks were perfectly capable of destroying them, its just that the T-34/76 was better. By 1942 it was obsolete, being easily destroyed at long ranges.